do you think tf2 has a gambiling problem?

[⭐venus⭐]

i personally think its fine, but do you guys think the crate system might be a little predatory?

[Darth Zed]

always has been

[⭐venus⭐]

you have a saxy?

[M4N]

yeah

[Darth Zed]

Originally posted by ✩ venus is a loaf cat ✩:

you have a saxy?

yes

[DarkCrystalMethod]

You have to figure out the odds of getting an Unusual.
Then gamble with trade/key sites until you get enough metal or however that works(I don't do this) and then somehow you can architect yourself into a world of pure Unusuals.

[2002 Toyota Camry]

The question in phrased weirdly, but I personally don’t think so. You can gamble if you want in any way you want (crates, trade-ups, MvM, off-site gambling), but you really aren’t pushed to. I gamble a bit on TF2, but that’s my choice and I do it for fun rather than an apparent need to do so.

[Falleax]

Microtransactions are inherently predatory and harmful. There is no such thing as a good microtransaction or loot box.

[Tutu 💚™🤎 ~^^)]

The biggest update TF2 can get when VALVe removes predatory lootboxes, pay to get ♥♥♥♥ loot, see a number go up and lose money Mann Up, and shut down Mann Co that just literally is stealing money from you.

[Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp]

It probably was when it was new, and it definitely sparked the worst examples of monetization, but compared to what we have now, it's actually quite tame. At least it's not as predatory as the FOMO practices used in more modern titles, which preys on everyone, as opposed to lootboxes hitting "only" those with a gambling addiction.

Besides, a little gambling is a healthy thing to do. Life itself consists of taking, managing and recucing risks.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:

It probably was when it was new, and it definitely sparked the worst examples of monetization, but compared to what we have now, it's actually quite tame. At least it's not as predatory as the FOMO practices used in more modern titles, which preys on everyone, as opposed to lootboxes hitting "only" those with a gambling addiction.

Besides, a little gambling is a healthy thing to do. Life itself consists of taking, managing and recucing risks.

They significantly helped it's usage in modern titles, Valve was the catalyst for microtransactions. Gamers never pushed back in 2010 and today we see how normalized it became. Other companies simply followed what Valve was doing and made it more egregious.

[Graceful Jabberwocky]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Microtransactions are inherently predatory and harmful. There is no such thing as a good microtransaction or loot box.

[Bob]

I've seen microtansactions beyond human greed and shame. Although the TF2 seems less predatory due to prices adjusted by the economy wity many hats being worrh just a few ref compared to 20$ for fortnite skin pack.

[Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Dergun:

Originally posted by Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp:

It probably was when it was new, and it definitely sparked the worst examples of monetization, but compared to what we have now, it's actually quite tame. At least it's not as predatory as the FOMO practices used in more modern titles, which preys on everyone, as opposed to lootboxes hitting "only" those with a gambling addiction.

Besides, a little gambling is a healthy thing to do. Life itself consists of taking, managing and recucing risks.

They significantly helped it's usage in modern titles, Valve was the catalyst for microtransactions. Gamers never pushed back in 2010 and today we see how normalized it became. Other companies simply followed what Valve was doing and made it more egregious.

Pretty much. It was always Valve pioneering something and others following suit, but pushing it harder every time. It's why I think crates and cases (and gambling in general, for that matter) aren't the problem, but a mere symptom of predatory monetization, the actual problem. Game companies have evolved to more subtle (or sometimes blatant) cash grabs.

[Cornball]

kind of, although I think tf2 is more on the paid-to-win side, considering how it'll be hard to win matches with default weapons when other players have better weapons with better upgrades and stuff and it would just be hard to fight against it. (I think I went off topic.)

[[H.E.] ✟ GrandEmperorVandheer ✟]

Yes, there is... and I HATE it!!!