How would YOU solve the "Bot Crisis"?

[Sofi]

As you all know, there's currently a crisis involving the bot situation.

The crisis is one of conscience; Bots are ruthlessly subject to the prejudice and unproven allegations of the Human-race-based-player-base.

Every day bots are implicated as being "Vote-kickers", "Voice-chat spammers" and "Sniper players".

This just isn't true 100% of the time. But because people are just so full of hate and decide to say these things about "the innocent", "the innocent" suddenly become "the guilty".

The bots are insulted and beaten up. Rolled in the alleyways of the big city for what little crypto-currency they've obtained. They're unable to defend themselves on the mean-streets of the World. And what's worse? They're targeted for hate crimes just because of who they are!!!!

In order to solve this crisis, I would build a platform advocating the equality and rights of these undermined citizens. All the bots want to do is populate your game and have fun like the rest of you. They can't help how good they are at everything.

Now, without jobs at Tf2, bots are forced to find work at places like Chuck E. Cheez. What kind of life is that for a helpful, caring, understanding and above all -INNOCENT- sentience?

[Mahamaya17]

dsc.gg/pinkiewashere1556 NEED TO BE ♥♥♥♥ OVER I DONE

[ＪＯＫＥ☆T☆ＲＡＩＮ]

İlk olarak Edward Bernays tarafından gönderildi:

Explain how it's circumventable?

Just make the bots take a short break once in a while if they're getting kicked often enough to get close to risking a ban.

How exactly would a real player get a false positive?

By getting kicked enough times to get banned, likely by bots who now have a new disruption tool at their disposal.

[Edward Bernays]

İlk olarak ＪＯＫＥ☆T☆ＲＡＩＮ tarafından gönderildi:

Just make the bots take a short break once in a while if they're getting kicked often enough to get close to risking a ban.

As stated previously, the point of the temporary ban was to thin them out into being less effective. Them taking breaks would help thin them out - which is the goal. And this is assuming Valve discloses the threshold of kicks needed or the method of the refresh timer.

But, let's just say for arguments sake that it's 150 kicks a week for a 3-day temporary ban. Currently, the bots usually manage to get kicked 80-150 a day, so, that'd be a lot of breaks they'd have to take per week to stay off the temp-ban. They'd have to automate making new accounts to remain effective. Which is where the SIN authentication system might come in handy, as I don't believe that's easy to automate authenticating SIN numbers, but I could be wrong.

İlk olarak ＪＯＫＥ☆T☆ＲＡＩＮ tarafından gönderildi:

By getting kicked enough times to get banned, likely by bots who now have a new disruption tool at their disposal.

What makes you think there would be enough bots to votekick me 150 times a week, especially if they are taking breaks? I'm lucky to get 15 a week for cheating accusations or bot kicks as it is because unlike bots, I got to sleep and go to work.

And even if they do somehow manage to votekick me the same amount of times they get votekicked - again, It's a temporary ban from casual. It's not the end of the world. Also, in that scenario, the real question would be why I would even bother to join casual if it's 100% bots votekicking me from 150 different servers? That's like being banned from casual permanently regardless.

[Perfect Cell #mutef2ps]

ban sniper

[Emurinus]

Honestly I'd probably just shut down the official servers. Community servers can get that influx of players back that way, and players are more than willing to kick any bots that join. And it involves Valve's philosophy of being as lazy as possible. The biggest hurdle after that is simply finding a good community server, which will eventually filter itself out as long as the playerbase survives.

Is it a good idea? Probably not, but it "fixes" the crisis and that's all people seem to really care about.

İlk olarak Edward Bernays tarafından gönderildi:

I once saw a forum post with a decent idea to deal with the bot problem. Given that bots play 24/7 and have thousands if not tens-of-thousands of votekicks on them at this point (which would be practically impossible for a human). The idea was if the votekicks reached a certain threshold after a certain amount of time, that an automated system would give a temporary ban on casual mode. So, even if a human does somehow reach that threshold, it wouldn't be permanent.

This won't get rid of them, but the bot hosters would have to constantly create new accounts every couple hours to maintain the same kind of persistence they used to have. In theory, it should thin it out into becoming a manageable problem for regular players. And, let's say the bot hosters automate creating new accounts, then - I don't know, make it so we need to use a phone authentication on Steam to play tf2? I'd be kind of surprised if the bot hosters could find a work around and automate SIN numbers.

But whatever, Valve doesn't read the forums and also don't care. So, we're just screaming to the void at this point.

You would probably have better luck simply disabling running the game in text mode.

[Lilsan444 ob/cd]

İlk olarak Sofi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak GustavoM tarafından gönderildi:

Three words:

Kernel anti cheat.

Four words:

What IS, "Kernel anti-cheat"?

*Looks up if words with hyphen count as one word or two*

A kernal anti cheat is a anti cheat that uses the kernal

[Yzal]

No more TF2 = no more bots ruining TF2

[KennyAtom]

İlk olarak Razorsonedge tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Jason. tarafından gönderildi:

everytime someone gets kicked from a server there is a 5-10 minute cooldown in order to rejoin a game, wont stop the bots but will slow them down significally

This sounds like a good idea until you factor in how much false votekicks happen
I've seen hundreds of legit players get kicked for being too good, people getting kicked for having an "inappropriate" objector image, tons of children get kicked for simply speaking in VC, people getting kicked for killing friendlies even if it's accidental, ETC.

Hmmm...

İlk olarak Razorsonedge tarafından gönderildi:

I've seen hundreds of legit players get kicked for being too good

That is a huge problem, but it is a badge of honor as well.

"I was so good they kicked me"

İlk olarak Razorsonedge tarafından gönderildi:

people getting kicked for having an "inappropriate" objector image

It probably is inappropriate, considering the player base.

İlk olarak Razorsonedge tarafından gönderildi:

tons of children get kicked for simply speaking in VC

The game is rated M for Mature by the Entertainment Software Rating Board, meaning no child under 17 should be allowed to play. This is deserved for these young children in VC.

İlk olarak Razorsonedge tarafından gönderildi:

people getting kicked for killing friendlies even if it's accidental, ETC.

Also a huge problem. It's a first person shooter. Why are you punishing players for shooting?

[RedReimu]

Remove casual.

[Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp]

I would simply add manual moderation, until someone figures out a reliable alternative. And if it's only me banning the bots, so be it. I can fight those Hydras all day long, because I don't have anything better to do anyway. One must imagine Fireschlong happy.

Also, the technical solutions just don't cut it for long nowadays, so it's either that or introducing CS's VACnet and Overwatch.

[DarkWeeber]

Send a pipe bomb to the houses of bot hosters

[hölle]

İlk olarak GustavoM tarafından gönderildi:

Three words:

Kernel anti cheat.

that's still on the client. also tf2 is not only available on windows but on linux and macos as well

[Random Pizza Tower Fan]

remove valve servers. bring back a better quickplay

[Beep Boy]

Remove "6 people party" feature from Casual. That way only 1 bot can join on each server instead of 6 bots.

[st12 [Free XP]]

Remove sniper