Team Fortress 2
Joe Papa 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:12
Soundsmith 50/50 Rule Friendly Arguments Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCZQsN0YdU

"Tf2 is silly"
TF2's silliness comes from its artstyle, characters, and taunts, Not Friendlies

"Its Called Casual"
Casually playing the objective=/=not playing the objective, Its amazing how many times I have to explain this.

"In a 12v12 match a loss of 1 person doesn't make a difference"
Doesn't change the fact that someone is purposely putting our team at a disadvantage for no reason and helping out the enemy. If a 2v1 is unfair then by defanition a 12v11 is as well

"Just Play Competitive"
I don't even think I need to explain why this argument is flawed because even some friendlies agree its bad, But I dont agree with Soundsmith saying its a circular argument for a few reasons.
1.Valves Comp is broken
2.I have to spend years of getting good to get into Comp while friendlies can go into a friendly server with a click of the button
3.When I play Casual, Im looking for a game that is calm, relaxing and people are not pressuring meta on me and doing Heavy coordination, I want a laid back team with loads of people clashing together with people trying to win, While friendly servers offer exactly what friendlies want.

"silly servers are not the same"
Oh boy! A Hoovy in Casual for the 8 millionth time in a row so silly!!!!!

But really though, if this was the case then nobody would be complaining about friendlies.

and the 50/50 rule

Take your community made rules to community servers
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trash 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:35 
'don't be a prick and ruin a server for other people' is a valid statement, votekick and the court of public opinion existed on valve servers long before 'friendly' was a day to day term

but '50/50' and this video are just memes used as cheap ammunition by salty casual griefers when they're shamed for being idiots
it's no coincidence that they never use 50/50 to argue in favor of friendlies being killed/kicked when they're a superminority
Publicado originalmente por Joe Papa:
"silly servers are not the same"
they say this because they recognize that 'friendly' is a relative action that only has value in contrasting what other people are doing
Publicado originalmente por Joe Papa:
"Tf2 is silly"
TF2's silliness comes from its artstyle, characters, and taunts, Not Friendlies
tf2 silliness comes from player expression and interactions, which are augmented by the content of the game, but aren't a requirement for it
other games without even 1/10th of what tf2 offers in social systems still have 'friendlies'

'forced' non-combat situations are part of that social interaction, but the keyword is part
throwing out everything else the game hands you to socialize in the game space is moronic

there's a time and place for standing around eating sandviches, but socially inept gamers apparently have a hard time figuring out when
Lyxfex 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:36 
Ok

First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY

To second, while yes its called '' casual '' Team fortress 2 is also known to be a '' game ''. So technically, everybody can play however they want, even if it means not playing the objective and just ♥♥♥♥ around like trolldier fat scout OR FRIENDLIES

thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !

fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.

Fifthly, silly servers are not the same cause is expected to be silly. while in casual, it is not, so the emotion are much more appreciable when its a SUPRISE. You know what does are do you ?

Now to finish my long rent, i don't do this to defend friendly. No, i do it because i'm sick of people like you complaining about that topic. I mean, what can you even do ? Their going to be silly because they want to just like you you want to be a tryhard because you want to. And you know what : its fine ! You want to kill them ? Go ahead, you have the right to kill them just like they have the right to play silly. Thats why the 50/50 rule doesn't make any sense because its not like im going to says : oh a friendly servers, guess im going to be silly. No, ♥♥♥♥ off, i want to chew bubble gum and kick ass and im going to and nothing will stop me. So im just going to kill them, leave the game or heck even join them if i feel like it. But you know what i won't do, make a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid idiotic tread just to cry how much my '' gaming '' experience has been ruined because the game didn't act like i wanted to be.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME
Joe Papa 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:44 
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
Ok

First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY

To second, while yes its called '' casual '' Team fortress 2 is also known to be a '' game ''. So technically, everybody can play however they want, even if it means not playing the objective and just ♥♥♥♥ around like trolldier fat scout OR FRIENDLIES

thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !

fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.

Fifthly, silly servers are not the same cause is expected to be silly. while in casual, it is not, so the emotion are much more appreciable when its a SUPRISE. You know what does are do you ?

Now to finish my long rent, i don't do this to defend friendly. No, i do it because i'm sick of people like you complaining about that topic. I mean, what can you even do ? Their going to be silly because they want to just like you you want to be a tryhard because you want to. And you know what : its fine ! You want to kill them ? Go ahead, you have the right to kill them just like they have the right to play silly. Thats why the 50/50 rule doesn't make any sense because its not like im going to says : oh a friendly servers, guess im going to be silly. No, ♥♥♥♥ off, i want to chew bubble gum and kick ass and im going to and nothing will stop me. So im just going to kill them, leave the game or heck even join them if i feel like it. But you know what i won't do, make a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid idiotic tread just to cry how much my '' gaming '' experience has been ruined because the game didn't act like i wanted to be.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME
1.This part has nothing to do with friendlies
2.You can apply this to cheaters as well
3.Here is the thing though, If Valve were to make 1 team have only 11 players though and have 1 12, people will complain its unfair, how is this any different?
4.Did you even read what I said about Comp?
5.Oh boy! a friendly in Casual for the 80th time in a row! what a surprise!!!
6.So you basically admit friendlies are bad here
7.i do know how to play, friendlies do not
trash 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:46 
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY
fortnite has the most goober artstyle out there and it's a million times sweatier than tf2
call of duty is thematically serious to an extent, but is one of the most casual shooters around
themes don't define gameplay
thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !
it's not about the lack of teammates
it's a specific person being antisocial and not engaging with the other players
fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.
no
i want to play tf2 in a valve server
that is the only experience i'm after when i decide to open up team fortress 2 in the year 2020
the majority of people on any given casual server obviously feel that way
griefers are generally not welcome
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME
this is what friendlies have trouble with
everyone else is fully capable of handing social interactions in an online game, including amusing noncombat encounters with enemy players
it's the people going out of their way to disrupt what everyone else is doing for an extended period of time who are crying when they're treated poorly by the players they've intentionally upset
Lyxfex 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:50 
1.This part has nothing to do with friendlies
2.You can apply this to cheaters as well
3.Here is the thing though, If Valve were to make 1 team have only 11 players though and have 1 12, people will complain its unfair, how is this any different?
4.Did you even read what I said about Comp?
5.Oh boy! a friendly in Casual for the 80th time in a row! what a surprise!!!
6.So you basically admit friendlies are bad here
7.i do know how to play, friendlies do not [/quote]

1. They why did you put in there in the first place
2. Wow, you're perceptive. also what does that change
3. Cause i actually won game while beeing in a disaventage o 1 player, 2 even 3 sometime. Its called '' skill ''
4. If i answer, then yes i read it, but you didn't read my response. That or you're a mule
5. Argument Repeat You get the same response Here : Ok

First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY

To second, while yes its called '' casual '' Team fortress 2 is also known to be a '' game ''. So technically, everybody can play however they want, even if it means not playing the objective and just ♥♥♥♥ around like trolldier fat scout OR FRIENDLIES

thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !

fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.

Fifthly, silly servers are not the same cause is expected to be silly. while in casual, it is not, so the emotion are much more appreciable when its a SUPRISE. You know what does are do you ?

Now to finish my long rent, i don't do this to defend friendly. No, i do it because i'm sick of people like you complaining about that topic. I mean, what can you even do ? Their going to be silly because they want to just like you you want to be a tryhard because you want to. And you know what : its fine ! You want to kill them ? Go ahead, you have the right to kill them just like they have the right to play silly. Thats why the 50/50 rule doesn't make any sense because its not like im going to says : oh a friendly servers, guess im going to be silly. No, ♥♥♥♥ off, i want to chew bubble gum and kick ♥♥♥ and im going to and nothing will stop me. So im just going to kill them, leave the game or heck even join them if i feel like it. But you know what i won't do, make a ♥♥♥♥ing stupid idiotic tread just to cry how much my '' gaming '' experience has been ruined because the game didn't act like i wanted to be.

♥♥♥♥ING GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME

6. Not i didn't admit it cause if you actually read my post i said i could join them like i could kill them. What i mean by what can you even do can be ask to you : you're a tryhard. What can i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do about it ?

7 . ok now you're definitely a mule
Joe Papa 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:53 
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
1.This part has nothing to do with friendlies
2.You can apply this to cheaters as well
3.Here is the thing though, If Valve were to make 1 team have only 11 players though and have 1 12, people will complain its unfair, how is this any different?
4.Did you even read what I said about Comp?
5.Oh boy! a friendly in Casual for the 80th time in a row! what a surprise!!!
6.So you basically admit friendlies are bad here
7.i do know how to play, friendlies do not

1. They why did you put in there in the first place
2. Wow, you're perceptive. also what does that change
3. Cause i actually won game while beeing in a disaventage o 1 player, 2 even 3 sometime. Its called '' skill ''
4. If i answer, then yes i read it, but you didn't read my response. That or you're a mule
5. Argument Repeat You get the same response Here : Ok

First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY

To second, while yes its called '' casual '' Team fortress 2 is also known to be a '' game ''. So technically, everybody can play however they want, even if it means not playing the objective and just ♥♥♥♥ around like trolldier fat scout OR FRIENDLIES

thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !

fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.

Fifthly, silly servers are not the same cause is expected to be silly. while in casual, it is not, so the emotion are much more appreciable when its a SUPRISE. You know what does are do you ?

Now to finish my long rent, i don't do this to defend friendly. No, i do it because i'm sick of people like you complaining about that topic. I mean, what can you even do ? Their going to be silly because they want to just like you you want to be a tryhard because you want to. And you know what : its fine ! You want to kill them ? Go ahead, you have the right to kill them just like they have the right to play silly. Thats why the 50/50 rule doesn't make any sense because its not like im going to says : oh a friendly servers, guess im going to be silly. No, ♥♥♥♥ off, i want to chew bubble gum and kick ♥♥♥ and im going to and nothing will stop me. So im just going to kill them, leave the game or heck even join them if i feel like it. But you know what i won't do, make a ♥♥♥♥ing stupid idiotic tread just to cry how much my '' gaming '' experience has been ruined because the game didn't act like i wanted to be.

♥♥♥♥ING GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME

6. Not i didn't admit it cause if you actually read my post i said i could join them like i could kill them. What i mean by what can you even do can be ask to you : you're a tryhard. What can i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do about it ?

7 . ok now you're definitely a mule [/quote]
? I think you might have posted your comment twice
Lyxfex 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:53 
Publicado originalmente por Hand:
are you seriously ducking arguing against a 2 year old video? Is that how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hateful you guys are?
Because theire mule thats why.

Even if i am wrong, their just nothing you can do about it. so what don't you just suck it up and pass on like i will.

Hand 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:54 
are you seriously ducking arguing against a 2 year old video? Is that how ♥♥♥♥ing hateful you guys are?
Also im ok if your being friendly but to ♥♥♥♥♥ and scream for being killed is another (Unless its a mass gathering and the whole match is in it except for that one edgy scout)
Joe Papa 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:55 
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
Publicado originalmente por Hand:
are you seriously ducking arguing against a 2 year old video? Is that how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hateful you guys are?
Because theire mule thats why.

Even if i am wrong, their just nothing you can do about it. so what don't you just suck it up and pass on like i will.
reply to my part again, you broke quotes and I have no idea what youre saying
Frauzi666 (Bloqueado) 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:55 
hmm yes anger
Lyxfex 15 MAY 2020 a las 21:59 
Publicado originalmente por Joe Papa:
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
Because theire mule thats why.

Even if i am wrong, their just nothing you can do about it. so what don't you just suck it up and pass on like i will.
reply to my part again, you broke quotes and I have no idea what youre saying

No, you just buck on the wall of text i send you voluntarily a second time just to proove my point : TWICE.

Good day
Joe Papa 16 MAY 2020 a las 7:43 
Publicado originalmente por Lyxfex:
1.This part has nothing to do with friendlies
2.You can apply this to cheaters as well
3.Here is the thing though, If Valve were to make 1 team have only 11 players though and have 1 12, people will complain its unfair, how is this any different?
4.Did you even read what I said about Comp?
5.Oh boy! a friendly in Casual for the 80th time in a row! what a surprise!!!
6.So you basically admit friendlies are bad here
7.i do know how to play, friendlies do not

1. They why did you put in there in the first place
2. Wow, you're perceptive. also what does that change
3. Cause i actually won game while beeing in a disaventage o 1 player, 2 even 3 sometime. Its called '' skill ''
4. If i answer, then yes i read it, but you didn't read my response. That or you're a mule
5. Argument Repeat You get the same response Here : Ok

First and foremost, silly art style our bound to bring silly thing since you know : ITS SILLY

To second, while yes its called '' casual '' Team fortress 2 is also known to be a '' game ''. So technically, everybody can play however they want, even if it means not playing the objective and just ♥♥♥♥ around like trolldier fat scout OR FRIENDLIES

thirdly, do you math. 1 player out of twelve is 8.33 % of the team while 1 player out of two is 50 %. So, while they have no reason to play like this, not only the second point invalid your argument, but also its literally doesn't make any difference since only 8.33 % of your man power is gone. And even if if did make a diffrence, their a thing called '' skill '' you should try that !

fourthly, if you want serious game, play competitive, their plenty of system out there, like tf2 center or any pro league in that matter to replace the broken system valve have. Not only that, but do you realize your complaining that friendlies don't cooperate while this issu could be solve by your own skill at the game ? And if you do have a issue, you can always quit the game your currently on and just pass on. simple as that.

Fifthly, silly servers are not the same cause is expected to be silly. while in casual, it is not, so the emotion are much more appreciable when its a SUPRISE. You know what does are do you ?

Now to finish my long rent, i don't do this to defend friendly. No, i do it because i'm sick of people like you complaining about that topic. I mean, what can you even do ? Their going to be silly because they want to just like you you want to be a tryhard because you want to. And you know what : its fine ! You want to kill them ? Go ahead, you have the right to kill them just like they have the right to play silly. Thats why the 50/50 rule doesn't make any sense because its not like im going to says : oh a friendly servers, guess im going to be silly. No, ♥♥♥♥ off, i want to chew bubble gum and kick ♥♥♥ and im going to and nothing will stop me. So im just going to kill them, leave the game or heck even join them if i feel like it. But you know what i won't do, make a ♥♥♥♥ing stupid idiotic tread just to cry how much my '' gaming '' experience has been ruined because the game didn't act like i wanted to be.

♥♥♥♥ING GROW UP AND LEARN HOW TO ACTUALLY PLAY A GAME

6. Not i didn't admit it cause if you actually read my post i said i could join them like i could kill them. What i mean by what can you even do can be ask to you : you're a tryhard. What can i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do about it ?

7 . ok now you're definitely a mule [/quote]
1.Thats what I should be asking you, lol
2.It changes how if we where to say that, anybody can cheat because “they’re playing the game as they want!!”
3.Anecdotal evidence at its finest
4.I did read it, its just you repeating “Go Play Comp”
5.And yet your response is filled with already rebuttled arguments
6.?
7.Mule Defenition:An Offspring of a Donkey and Horse
Staffy 16 MAY 2020 a las 8:17 
50/50 rule suck, but I won't mind friendlies anyway.
-(TTP)- Demo 16 MAY 2020 a las 8:46 
Publicado originalmente por Joe Papa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCZQsN0YdU

"Tf2 is silly"
TF2's silliness comes from its artstyle, characters, and taunts, Not Friendlies

"Its Called Casual"
Casually playing the objective=/=not playing the objective, Its amazing how many times I have to explain this.

"In a 12v12 match a loss of 1 person doesn't make a difference"
Doesn't change the fact that someone is purposely putting our team at a disadvantage for no reason and helping out the enemy. If a 2v1 is unfair then by defanition a 12v11 is as well

"Just Play Competitive"
I don't even think I need to explain why this argument is flawed because even some friendlies agree its bad, But I dont agree with Soundsmith saying its a circular argument for a few reasons.
1.Valves Comp is broken
2.I have to spend years of getting good to get into Comp while friendlies can go into a friendly server with a click of the button
3.When I play Casual, Im looking for a game that is calm, relaxing and people are not pressuring meta on me and doing Heavy coordination, I want a laid back team with loads of people clashing together with people trying to win, While friendly servers offer exactly what friendlies want.

"silly servers are not the same"
Oh boy! A Hoovy in Casual for the 8 millionth time in a row so silly!!!!!

But really though, if this was the case then nobody would be complaining about friendlies.

and the 50/50 rule

Take your community made rules to community servers

TF2's silliness comes from the randomness of games as well as the other reasons. Sometimes seeing a Hoovy in goggles, a beard, and silly hat can make a person laugh.

Casual isn't supposed to be taken as seriously as Comp is, but you still can take it seriously if you wish.

Imagine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about your team not helping you when TF2 is based on individual skill.

Comp isn't a Valve only thing. Not to mention Tryhards say "Oh, go on Community servers!", even though those are more or less the same as Casual, but without certain restrictions or stupid gamemodes. Some people just want to play TF2 on normal, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ maps.

If you go on a Silly server, you are ALWAYS going to see people be friendly, 100% of the time. Not so in Casual TF2.

Take your "Soundsmith bad because he's not a TF2tuber anymore!" rant and move it to r/tf2.
Joe Papa 16 MAY 2020 a las 9:29 
Publicado originalmente por (PURPLE) Admiral Demo:
Publicado originalmente por Joe Papa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCZQsN0YdU

"Tf2 is silly"
TF2's silliness comes from its artstyle, characters, and taunts, Not Friendlies

"Its Called Casual"
Casually playing the objective=/=not playing the objective, Its amazing how many times I have to explain this.

"In a 12v12 match a loss of 1 person doesn't make a difference"
Doesn't change the fact that someone is purposely putting our team at a disadvantage for no reason and helping out the enemy. If a 2v1 is unfair then by defanition a 12v11 is as well

"Just Play Competitive"
I don't even think I need to explain why this argument is flawed because even some friendlies agree its bad, But I dont agree with Soundsmith saying its a circular argument for a few reasons.
1.Valves Comp is broken
2.I have to spend years of getting good to get into Comp while friendlies can go into a friendly server with a click of the button
3.When I play Casual, Im looking for a game that is calm, relaxing and people are not pressuring meta on me and doing Heavy coordination, I want a laid back team with loads of people clashing together with people trying to win, While friendly servers offer exactly what friendlies want.

"silly servers are not the same"
Oh boy! A Hoovy in Casual for the 8 millionth time in a row so silly!!!!!

But really though, if this was the case then nobody would be complaining about friendlies.

and the 50/50 rule

Take your community made rules to community servers

TF2's silliness comes from the randomness of games as well as the other reasons. Sometimes seeing a Hoovy in goggles, a beard, and silly hat can make a person laugh.

Casual isn't supposed to be taken as seriously as Comp is, but you still can take it seriously if you wish.

Imagine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about your team not helping you when TF2 is based on individual skill.

Comp isn't a Valve only thing. Not to mention Tryhards say "Oh, go on Community servers!", even though those are more or less the same as Casual, but without certain restrictions or stupid gamemodes. Some people just want to play TF2 on normal, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ maps.

If you go on a Silly server, you are ALWAYS going to see people be friendly, 100% of the time. Not so in Casual TF2.

Take your "Soundsmith bad because he's not a TF2tuber anymore!" rant and move it to r/tf2.
Yes, that is silly but you don’t have to be a friendly to do that

I never said its supposed to be taken seriously, its supposed to be able to Casually play the objective, not do nothing

Except that friendlies have nothing to do with skill though and ruin it for everyone

Exactly, thats why go play Comp is invalid while Community Servers is, some people want vanilla TF2, This part just further proves my point

But in Casual TF2, Its the same for friendlies, getting killed over and over again, So how is that a bad thing exactly? And for friendlies, people not killing you kinda means they’re friendly as well, so whats the point of you being a friendly if you don’t want other people doing it?

Soundsmith is good though, I just so happen to disagree with him
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