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like look at this ♥♥♥♥
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3020870912
this wasn't even a runoff vote
Badwater terrible open space at the start and terrible choke at the end. Upward is also lot of open areas and just pretty forgettable to me. I'd say they would be good if you like rocketjumping, but if not they kinda meh.
Payload is a good gamemode, because unlike CTF or 5CP it can't go endlessly.