Spy is the most pointless class in Tf2

[charky]

Everyone's still taking the bait even after I clearly stated it was bait :P
Oh well.

Like the title said. Spy is the most pointless class in Team Fortress 2. His impact on the game is so minimal that if you removed him from the game, nobody would notice.

1. Spy is completely hampered by enemy competence
Even if you were the world's best Spy, if the enemy team had an ounce of intelligence and constantly checked their backs and called out Spies whenever they saw them, all your skill invested into the class would be for naught. A Spy is too squishy and relies too much on a dumb opponent to make the best out of his potential. Pyros, Spy's natural enemy and hard counter require minimal skill to work well and a Pyro operating on minimal skill is enough to shut down veteran Spies. This brings us into the next point .....

2. Spy's skill:reward ratio is completely skewered
The skill required for a Spy to excel is insanely high. The time invested into him could be better placed into another class such as Soldier and Demoman. Even if you were a good Spy, luck and basic situational awareness on the enemy team's part would be enough to waste you.

3. There is nothing Spy can do, any class can't do better
Spy was designed to spread paranoia into the enemy, assassinate priority targets and slow down enemy advancement. The design and concept was interesting but the execution was horrible on Valve's part. Taking out priority targets? Scout and Sniper can fare much better. Spread paranoia and panic? When the enemy team has half a brain and a Pyro worth his salt, that so-called panic will all but evaporate from the enemy team.

Sapping sentries? The effort is, to say the least, too much for such a simple task. Why spend minutes sneaking into the enemy base, jumping at shadows and avoiding enemy hostiles before sapping the buildings only to have all your time wasted by a crit wrench and a couple of whacks ruining all your hard work? Soldiers and Demoman can simply exploit the sentry's blind spots and finish it off faster, quicker and easier than a Spy.

To sum up, Spy was a fun concept Valve built but the execution was flawed. Spy should either be removed from the game completely rather than sit as a waste of player slots or be completely redisigned.

[Vlad the Impala]

Publicado originalmente por ¬°Shark:

Publicado originalmente por Plus.:

REMOVE AN ENTIRE CLASS FROM THE GAME? AN ENTIRE CLASS!

YEAH THAT WILL GO DOWN WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY

Well why not? It's a complete waste of slots, as stated above. It could just be replaced with something like the chemist.

That's going to be replacing a small problem with a much bigger one.

[Strongholdhero]

why not try just distracting the team? keeps em busy much longer than killing them

[charky]

Publicado originalmente por Plus.:

Yes, because a soldier can consitently 1 hit kill enemies
Yes, because a sniper can go invisble among the enemy team.
Yes, because a demoman can kill that sentries engie, making repair impossible.
Yes, because removing a class people have put many hours in at mastering won't make the community froth at the mouth.

All of these points are true. However, in any experienced team, it won't do the spy any good. 1 hit-kill enemies? A sniper or scout can do that. Becoming invisible? So what, as soon as he settles back into the visible spectrum he'll get called out. Killing engis? Literally any other class can do that. It also not my problem that some people in the community were naïve enough to main such a bad class.

[charky]

Publicado originalmente por Llamaturkey101:

why not try just distracting the team? keeps em busy much longer than killing them

*cough*scouts*cough*

[COUNT FREAKULA]

He's as equally worthless as Pyro.
:steamcancer:

[Little John]

I was a ♥♥♥♥ at spy once. I did this thing called trying. I finally figured out how to run behind enemies and backstab without getting noticed. Try harder and don't remove a class I tried so hard to master!

[Strongholdhero]

Publicado originalmente por ¬°Shark:

Publicado originalmente por Llamaturkey101:

why not try just distracting the team? keeps em busy much longer than killing them

*cough*scouts*cough*

well I don't know what to say I guess they are useless if you never have been killed by one.

[Funne Monke #SaveTF2]

By that logic, your main, pyro, is also useless, because he has very few abilities except spychecking. There's almost nothing a Pyro can do some other class can't do better.

[Funne Monke #SaveTF2]

Publicado originalmente por Evil Resident:

Get good! Spy is tricky but its possible

YES

[whoa]

Basically what i'm getting from this is that OP got dommed by a spy main several times, so he's calling them pointless and calling for their removal.

[Funne Monke #SaveTF2]

let's think about pugs.

PUGS ARE TOO OVERPOWERED VALVE PLS FIX

[Little John]

And this discussion makes pyro sould like the only thing he can do is spy check.

[Funne Monke #SaveTF2]

Publicado originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Basically what i'm getting from this is that OP got dommed by a spy main several times, so he's calling them pointless and calling for their removal.

He claims that he's a pyro main, but I bet he's gotten dommed by a spy as pyro...

[Little John]

Also do you know how SATISFYING it is to backstab. I also got told that I should fear a pyro? No! I have backstabbed so many pyros they are no longer a threat to me. The only class they should fear is a scout

[Scrafty]

I disagree