Team Fortress 2
I love shar Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:05pm
Biggest crutch weapon in TF2 history?
I'd say pre-nerf Dead Ringer paired with the Diamondback and Spy-cicle.
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ゆのーさん Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:06pm 
Flamethrower
Antonio Box Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:07pm 
Old old old dead ringer.
#EuthanizeTF2 Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:08pm 
Darwin's Danger Shield, although I feel like L'etranger isn't talked about enough. It's nearly a straight upgrade from stock, and supports Spies that don't have good map knowledge.
trash Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:09pm 
ye olde dead ringre
Vlad the Impala Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:09pm 
Any iteration of the Natascha.
the black box

the dead ringer is bad, but bad spies are never more than a vague annoyance anyway
Amogus Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:21pm 
Originally posted by Staplerfahrer Klaus:
Any iteration of the Natascha.
This is true. It's basically a no skill version of the sandman. Guaranteed slowing on enemies makes a scout a free kill for a heavy.
Originally posted by GAMER Rawhide:
the black box

the dead ringer is bad, but bad spies are never more than a vague annoyance anyway
Emurinus Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:25pm 
Top 3 across the game's history are the Darwin's Danger Shield, 2009 Dead Ringer, and Natascha. Loch'n'Load and Sandman are next tier.
NerfPlayeR135 Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:28pm 
The Loch-n-Load. People often use it for its increased projectile speed because they can't aim regular grenades.
Sooper Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:29pm 
Remember the +20% damage backburner?
Vlad the Impala Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:42pm 
Originally posted by Sooper:
Remember the +20% damage backburner?
Remember the +50hp backburner?
Sooper Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:51pm 
Originally posted by Staplerfahrer Klaus:
Originally posted by Sooper:
Remember the +20% damage backburner?
Remember the +50hp backburner?
*shudders*
We speak not of those times.
Uscari Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:58pm 
For me, an objectively better weapon that takes less skill to use isn't necessarily a "crutch". For me a crutch would have to be less effective at the higher skill ceiling. Otherwise it's just an unbalanced weapon.

To me, the biggest crutch is definitely the Huntsman. It's much less effective against a coordinated and competent team, but is significantly easier to use than the Sniper rifle.

Faster Charge time, projectile hitbox, no-scope headshots, and fast projectile speed make this weapon essentially the "spam chokes for easy headshots in pubs" weapon. It's called the "lucksman" because with the firing rate, hitbox, and projectile speed, there is a solid chance that if you spam a corner or choke, you will hit someone's head for an instant kill.

A close second would be the Liberty Launcher, for obvious reasons.
Sooper Sep 7, 2018 @ 1:03pm 
Originally posted by Uscari:
(1)For me, an objectively better weapon that takes less skill to use isn't necessarily a "crutch"(1) (2)For me a crutch would have to be less effective at the higher skill ceiling.(2) (3)Otherwise it's just an unbalanced weapon.(3)
(1)Correct, the proper term is OP.
(2)Literal definition of a crutch simplified, higher skill floor, lower skill ceiling.
(3)It's an unbalanced weapon anyway.
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Date Posted: Sep 7, 2018 @ 12:05pm
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