Make the Flying Guillotine Crit Bleeding Players

[Man of Mines | castaway.tf]

It would make a wrap-assassin/ cleaver combo. Just like the old combo except it's not against stunned enemies. To all those that say it's unfair, take a long hard look at the Pyro's flare gun. Does the same exact ♥♥♥♥ on paper, and no-one complains (plus, Scout's projectiles take way longer to regenerate than Pyro's flares). If I dared complain about the flare gun I'd become just as bad as all the comp whiners; and so I will not be doing that; just proposing something instead.

[WE are in the beam.]

Your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because it will make cleaver not worth to use outside the combo.

Scout has double jump and the fastest default move speed in the game.

Don't give idea for new instakill combo.
That would allow deleting medics from long range.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Don’t think people actually read the stats of the cleaver change before complaining about the removal of crits on stunned players. It recharges incredibly fast and is one of if not the best scout secondary. You can stand back and spam it all game and get 300+ dpm effortlessly.

Also “to those who say it’s unfair”
Pyros flare gun crit does 90 damage. The guillotine does 150 crit damage. One also travels 3000 hu and the other is at 2000

[Man of Mines | castaway.tf]

Originally posted by WE are in the beam_:

Your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because it will make cleaver not worth to use outside the combo.

Scout has double jump and the fastest default move speed in the game.
Don't give idea for new instakill combo.

Wrong. Cleaver will still have many uses outside of the combo. It will just not have more potential for more risk. PS I think no one understands quite how hard it was to hit two consecutive projectiles on a class that is moving.

[Man of Mines | castaway.tf]

Originally posted by GhastlyGhostJr:

Don’t think people actually read the stats of the cleaver change before complaining about the removal of crits on stunned players. It recharges incredibly fast and is one of if not the best scout secondary. You can stand back and spam it all game and get 300+ dpm effortlessly.

Also “to those who say it’s unfair”
Pyros flare gun crit does 90 damage. The guillotine does 150 crit damage. One also travels 3000 hu and the other is at 2000

"effortlessly." Yeah, no, it actually took skill to pull off consecutively. People tend to not see that anymore.

[★C0pe★]

I don't really think this is a good idea due to how high the damage is, also the projectile traveling speed is fast, with the fastest class in the game, it will be able to kill most class with one combo.

[WE are in the beam.]

Originally posted by Man of Mines:

Originally posted by WE are in the beam_:

Your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because it will make cleaver not worth to use outside the combo.

Scout has double jump and the fastest default move speed in the game.
Don't give idea for new instakill combo.

Wrong. Cleaver will still have many uses outside of the combo. It will just not have more potential for more risk. PS I think no one understands quite how hard it was to hit two consecutive projectiles on a class that is moving.

Scout as close range class shouldn't be able to have access to weapons that can delete half of the classes at long range.

[NW/RL]

The flare does 30 damage. 30 x 3 = 90
The guillotine does 50 damage. 50 x 3 = 150

2 flares = 120, not enough to kill a scout
Ball + Guillotine = 165, kills all 150 HP classes and lower

Also the function times of a ball + knife combo are way quicker than 2 flares so it's still easy AF and instakills most classes

So yeah no

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Originally posted by Man of Mines:

Originally posted by GhastlyGhostJr:

Don’t think people actually read the stats of the cleaver change before complaining about the removal of crits on stunned players. It recharges incredibly fast and is one of if not the best scout secondary. You can stand back and spam it all game and get 300+ dpm effortlessly.

Also “to those who say it’s unfair”
Pyros flare gun crit does 90 damage. The guillotine does 150 crit damage. One also travels 3000 hu and the other is at 2000

"effortlessly." Yeah, no, it actually took skill to pull off consecutively. People tend to not see that anymore.

Lobbing a projectile that moves very quickly into a choke point is pretty easy. It was not hard to pull off and it still isn’t.

[tricknology expert]

Why should the second most overpowered scout secondary be buffed? Is this some scout main degeneracy?

[Vlad the Impala]

Originally posted by NW/RL:

The flare does 30 damage. 30 x 3 = 90
The guillotine does 50 damage. 50 x 3 = 150

2 flares = 120, not enough to kill a scout
Ball + Guillotine = 165, kills all 150 HP classes and lower

Also the function times of a ball + knife combo are way quicker than 2 flares so it's still easy AF and instakills most classes

So yeah no

Everyone also forgetting that crit guillotines also had crit 24 DPS bleed on stunned enemies, so the combo could potentially deal 285 damage total.

Anyway, the cleaver as a whole would need a hefty nerf if it got the combo back, it's already a strong unlock on its own. And no, it's not comparable to the flare gun considering flares replace a shotgun and cleaver replaces pistol, secondary slots on pyro and scout play different roles and don't need to be equally viable.

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by Man of Mines:

It would make a wrap-assassin/ cleaver combo. Just like the old combo except it's not against stunned enemies. To all those that say it's unfair, take a long hard look at the Pyro's flare gun. Does the same exact ♥♥♥♥ on paper, and no-one complains (plus, Scout's projectiles take way longer to regenerate than Pyro's flares). If I dared complain about the flare gun I'd become just as bad as all the comp whiners; and so I will not be doing that; just proposing something instead.

I think it's not a great idea to crit bleeding targets, but mini critting on bleeding target would be more reasonable.

[Tacticowl]

Originally posted by WE are in the beam_:

Your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because it will make cleaver not worth to use outside the combo.

Scout has double jump and the fastest default move speed in the game.

Don't give idea for new instakill combo.
That would allow deleting medics from long range.

The cleaver is already not worth to use over a pistol.

[Mita]

Originally posted by NW/RL:

The flare does 30 damage. 30 x 3 = 90
The guillotine does 50 damage. 50 x 3 = 150

2 flares = 120, not enough to kill a scout
Ball + Guillotine = 165, kills all 150 HP classes and lower

Also the function times of a ball + knife combo are way quicker than 2 flares so it's still easy AF and instakills most classes

So yeah no

You forgot also the flare gun causes player to burn so basically 30 + 120 = 150 and the burn damage is basically around 176 damage in total... Basically kills most classes that has 175 health...
In my opinion...
Demoman
Scout
Spy
Sniper
Engineer
Medic
could not survive the double shot of flare gun...
Meanwhile
The Sandman + The Flying Guillotine could able to kill a bit most 150 health...
Except for
Soldier
Heavy

[Hell-met]

Originally posted by MateAndMead:

Originally posted by WE are in the beam_:

Your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because it will make cleaver not worth to use outside the combo.

Scout has double jump and the fastest default move speed in the game.

Don't give idea for new instakill combo.
That would allow deleting medics from long range.

The cleaver is already not worth to use over a pistol.

wrong and bad

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

It’s pretty good just how it is. Bleed even stacks with the wrap assassins bleed and is pretty devastating when you land both.