Why do people hate spy and sniper so much?

[The Impractical Engineer]

(Spy main alert)

those two classes require one of the most skill. So isn't it a bit hypocritical? And even so if you say "we only hate the bad ____", because you always hear on the forums and in the community people talking about the "salty spy mains" or "edgy sniper mains", however you never really hear why the spies are so salty.

[MIND ЯEWIND 2]

i hate medics

[Deathbear56]

Both spy and sniper can insta kill you if they are good enough

[Trusted]

Originally posted by Dr. Wong Donger:

(Spy main alert)

those two classes require one of the most skill. So isn't it a bit hypocritical? And even so if you say "we only hate the bad ____", because you always hear on the forums and in the community people talking about the "salty spy mains" or "edgy sniper mains", however you never really hear why the spies are so salty.

*deep breath*

Well people dis like them because they both have things that people say because they got killed by them (example: "Oh you bodyshotting noob!" or "Facestab 0 skills all luck) Plus they both are played by squeakers and new players while also being two of the most edgiest classes in the world. Don't forget, spy has many weapons that give him a bad name.

[The Impractical Engineer]

Originally posted by Deathbear56:

Both spy and sniper can insta kill you if they are good enough

No. They can kill you instantly regardless. Insta kill is a mechanic not a skill-required action.

[Smugleaf]

People probably hate them for the same reason why people hate scout and soldier.

[The Impractical Engineer]

Originally posted by desert rain frog:

Originally posted by Dr. Wong Donger:

(Spy main alert)

those two classes require one of the most skill. So isn't it a bit hypocritical? And even so if you say "we only hate the bad ____", because you always hear on the forums and in the community people talking about the "salty spy mains" or "edgy sniper mains", however you never really hear why the spies are so salty.

*deep breath*

Well people dis like them because they both have things that people say because they got killed by them (example: "Oh you bodyshotting noob!" or "Facestab 0 skills all luck) Plus they both are played by squeakers and new players while also being two of the most edgiest classes in the world. Don't forget, spy has many weapons that give him a bad name.

Ironic? You never hear people complaining about being killed by a heavy or a soldier as often as these two classes.

[Deathbear56]

Sniper body shots can insta kill if full meter and only on half the classes but sniper is more powerful if they can actually aim and spy is a little harder cause you have to time your stabs to get a stab and escape but also spy can also be very annoying cause no one goes after them so they constantly harass engies and can stop big plays that are game turning

[nel]

well, sniper gets a hitscan bullet that can one shot anyone, spy can see your health and choose to shoot you if you're low, and getting insta killed is just annoying.

[nel]

just because these two classes have a high skill ceiling doesn't mean getting killed by them isn't annoying

[Godling]

I'll take endless snipers shots to the head any day over dealing with spies. I want a straight up fight without invisible players... spies ruin TF2. If I get back-stabbed in the first 30s of game-play... I usually just quit and find another server. Happens again? Quit again. ♥♥♥♥ spies. /salt

[Trusted]

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(for both spy and sniper)

[Testing]

I can't speak for spy, but for sniper its because they have the most potential. 150+ From any range. How do you approach that? The answer is that its almost impossible.

[Nosewitz]

Because most of them think they are better than you because if they're lucky enough they can kill you. And then after you get the right angle at the sniper or predict that invisible spy with your grenade launcher, they unleash all the hatred they have stored for their parents at you, followed by a "noob -_-"

[Dewa]

They hate us cuz they ain't us

[The Impractical Engineer]

Originally posted by Pajeet The Street ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

1. they are played very often, especially by f2p, and do contribute nothing to the team when the player is non sentient.
2. they have instakilling mechanics, nuff said.
3. they utilize a cowardly playstyle, unlike the mid to close range combat which the game is based around, the sniper excels at long range staying out of danger, and the only true counter is another sniper.
and the spy just avoids interaction all together, either instakilling you if you didn't look behind you for 2 seconds or using the revolver after a failed attempt because they suck. the only true counter to a spy is map awarness and low team numbers( basically 6 v 6).
4. literally everyoen who mains them are toxic and butthurt players.

1. No. Spy actually does contribute to the team
2. Those mechanics are balanced, whether it be through the spies mechanics or through other classes mechanics which counteract that mechanic.
3. Or spy. Or soldier. Or demo. Or even a Backburner pyro. You're making out like the sniper is standing 2000 feet away and they are impossible to get too.
4. Subjectivity and that isn't true.