Spy's backstab hitbox is too large

[Toasty]

I feel that Spy's backstab is way too forgiving in terms of what is and isn't a backstab.
I know I'm just trash that's been dominated one too many times by a spy for what was seemingly a facestab, but honestly it does not seem fair to me.

Currently spy has 180 degrees range for his backstabs, which makes it very easy to "abuse" and get undeserved stabs on even well-aware players, countless times have I seen me or one of my teammates get facestabbed despite looking the spy dead in the eyes. And no matter the skill level of the spy in question he should not be able to get away with running at a heavy with his knife out and one shotting him due to the heavy moving his mouse half an attometer too far left while shooting.

In my opinion Spy's backstabs should have the same target range as the backburner, cutting it down to only 90 degrees from the center of the back.

What do you all think?

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they reduced and reverted it long ago

[jonasaboo]

引用自 xXx_N05C0P3$w3g420BL4ZEitM8_xXx：

they reduced and reverted it long ago

How big was the radius back then?

[NoodleSpark]

you can replace spy backstab hitbox with solider rocket launcher splash and it will sound just as stupid

[Toasty]

引用自 NoodleSpark：

you can replace spy backstab hitbox with solider rocket launcher splash and it will sound just as stupid

Thank you for adding literally nothing to this discussion

引用自 not Jonasaboo：

引用自 xXx_N05C0P3$w3g420BL4ZEitM8_xXx：

they reduced and reverted it long ago

How big was the radius back then?

160

[Rando the Crit Clown]

It isn't a hitbox, and it isn't too large. If you're experiencing backstabs you deem unfair you're either wrong or lagging. Or they're hacking.

Watch this video for more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5Fg5d_uBU

[Toasty]

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

It isn't a hitbox, and it isn't too large. If you're experiencing backstabs you deem unfair you're either wrong or lagging. Or they're hacking.

Watch this video for more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5Fg5d_uBU

Ik it's not a hitbox, just couldn't find a more fitting word to qualify it as
The range displayed in the video is still way too big in my opinion, Spy should not have the right to cheese his way out of a gun fight with a knife, the way I see it he's made to rely on the enemy being oblivious, distracted or isolated (And for that last one, only Sniper and Medic should be punished for that).
This comes from a casual only player but I've seen countless times a single spy just completely destroy any single class within melee range, even demoknights which are literally made to rule the melee arena. I just feel as if his whole character of being sneaky and catching people off guard relying on his cunning and cloak management is being severely downplayed by the fact you can just flick your wrist slightly off to the side and one shot literally any class within melee range.
This is just my opinion tho, playing mostly Engineer and Sniper I genuinely feel as there's no way to get out on top of a melee fight with a spy.

[Rando the Crit Clown]

引用自 Toasty：

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

It isn't a hitbox, and it isn't too large. If you're experiencing backstabs you deem unfair you're either wrong or lagging. Or they're hacking.

Watch this video for more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5Fg5d_uBU

Ik it's not a hitbox, just couldn't find a more fitting word to qualify it as
The range displayed in the video is still way too big in my opinion, Spy should not have the right to cheese his way out of a gun fight with a knife, the way I see it he's made to rely on the enemy being oblivious, distracted or isolated (And for that last one, only Sniper and Medic should be punished for that).
This comes from a casual only player but I've seen countless times a single spy just completely destroy any single class within melee range, even demoknights which are literally made to rule the melee arena. I just feel as if his whole character of being sneaky and catching people off guard relying on his cunning and cloak management is being severely downplayed by the fact you can just flick your wrist slightly off to the side and one shot literally any class within melee range.
This is just my opinion tho, playing mostly Engineer and Sniper I genuinely feel as there's no way to get out on top of a melee fight with a spy.

He does not have a way to cheese his way out of a gun fight with a knife against anyone with a sensitivity higher than 0.01. He needs to get behind you while you're not looking at him, why are you letting him do that? I have literally never had that happen to me.

[Toasty]

引用自 Toasty：

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

It isn't a hitbox, and it isn't too large. If you're experiencing backstabs you deem unfair you're either wrong or lagging. Or they're hacking.

Watch this video for more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5Fg5d_uBU

Ik it's not a hitbox, just couldn't find a more fitting word to qualify it as
The range displayed in the video is still way too big in my opinion, Spy should not have the right to cheese his way out of a gun fight with a knife, the way I see it he's made to rely on the enemy being oblivious, distracted or isolated (And for that last one, only Sniper and Medic should be punished for that).
This comes from a casual only player but I've seen countless times a single spy just completely destroy any single class within melee range, even demoknights which are literally made to rule the melee arena. I just feel as if his whole character of being sneaky and catching people off guard relying on his cunning and cloak management is being severely downplayed by the fact you can just flick your wrist slightly off to the side and one shot literally any class within melee range.
This is just my opinion tho, playing mostly Engineer and Sniper I genuinely feel as there's no way to get out on top of a melee fight with a spy.

There's a lot of situations where a spy has time to get within melee range, namely
Switching away from the FoS/GRU and having a spy turn the corner
Using the Rescue ranger
Using literally anything other than the stock SMG with the Machina
Crossbow medic running away after your pocket died in a moronic way
Soldier in CQC with banner equipped

[Rando the Crit Clown]

引用自 Toasty：

There's a lot of situations where a spy has time to get within melee range, namely
Switching away from the FoS/GRU and having a spy turn the corner
Using the Rescue ranger
Using literally anything other than the stock SMG with the Machina
Crossbow medic running away after your pocket died in a moronic way
Soldier in CQC with banner equipped

But he doesn't have to get within melee range, he has to get within melee range and behind you while you aren't looking at him. If he stabs you in the back, you deserve to die. If you don't want to be backstabbed, simply look at him. Why are you surprised that when you turn around and start running away he kills you in one hit? Nerfing the size of it wouldn't even stop him from killing you in that situation.

[Toasty]

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

引用自 Toasty：

There's a lot of situations where a spy has time to get within melee range, namely
Switching away from the FoS/GRU and having a spy turn the corner
Using the Rescue ranger
Using literally anything other than the stock SMG with the Machina
Crossbow medic running away after your pocket died in a moronic way
Soldier in CQC with banner equipped

But he doesn't have to get within melee range, he has to get within melee range and behind you while you aren't looking at him. If he stabs you in the back, you deserve to die. If you don't want to be backstabbed, simply look at him. Why are you surprised that when you turn around and start running away he kills you in one hit? Nerfing the size of it wouldn't even stop him from killing you in that situation.

This is what I've been trying to say for the past hour, there have been hundreds of times where a spy would get a facestab on me or my teammates despite looking him straight in the eyes, what I'm not ok with are spies that run at you with their melee out, facestab you and then say it's a "matador stair 360 quickscope CTL interp flick stab and you're just bad lmao"

[Rando the Crit Clown]

引用自 Toasty：

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

But he doesn't have to get within melee range, he has to get within melee range and behind you while you aren't looking at him. If he stabs you in the back, you deserve to die. If you don't want to be backstabbed, simply look at him. Why are you surprised that when you turn around and start running away he kills you in one hit? Nerfing the size of it wouldn't even stop him from killing you in that situation.

This is what I've been trying to say for the past hour, there have been hundreds of times where a spy would get a facestab on me or my teammates despite looking him straight in the eyes, what I'm not ok with are spies that run at you with their melee out, facestab you and then say it's a "matador stair 360 quickscope CTL interp flick stab and you're just bad lmao"

They're hacking, it isn't an issue with the backstab itself.

[Toasty]

引用自 Rando the Crit Clown：

引用自 Toasty：

This is what I've been trying to say for the past hour, there have been hundreds of times where a spy would get a facestab on me or my teammates despite looking him straight in the eyes, what I'm not ok with are spies that run at you with their melee out, facestab you and then say it's a "matador stair 360 quickscope CTL interp flick stab and you're just bad lmao"

They're hacking, it isn't an issue with the backstab itself.

If there's that much hacking spies then no wonder Valve abandonned ship

[Toasty]

引用自 Sham!：

To be fair knives have a much larger “back detection” angle than gimmicks such as the heavy mittens or backburner

Anyway spy kinda need that leeway since well, it’s kinda a bad/weak class

Remove spy
Too confusing for literally everyone

[Alsander and Ciaran]

引用自 Sham!：

To be fair knives have a much larger “back detection” angle than gimmicks such as the heavy mittens or backburner

Anyway spy kinda need that leeway since well, it’s kinda a bad/weak class

Shoulder stabs that look (in your perspective) like blandent facestabs shouldn't be justified because the class's ♥♥♥♥, they could've made a knife that have a larger Stan radius but give it penalties that don't male it a direct upgrade.
Severe reserve ammo for revolver, slower swing speed and holster and deploy speed slower.

[Moogal™]

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