Half-Zatoichi on Soldier

[Testing]

So I already made a post on this before, but I'm just curious if any opinions on this has changed.

Basically this. The Half Zatoichi was obviously inteded for soldiers and Demos (as in demo v soldier) to duel with, as shown by how both soldier and Demoman can wield it. However, this senario rarely happens because soldiers don't have any reason to wield the Half Zatoichi. Demos can put on a shield and go demoknight (which yes is a gimmicky subclass but still). Soldiers can't do any such thing. So how about the Half Zatoichi makes the Soldier's three banners (Buff Banner, Concherour, and Batallions backup) function differently when its equipped? I don't know how the banners would work but still. What would you think of this?

[Cee]

Give Soldiers boots that replace primary which give him 20% faster move speed pl0x

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Originally posted by DREEMO FIVE:

Give Soldiers boots that replace primary which give him 20% faster move speed pl0x

[Kohchu]

The reason why this doesn't happen is because Soldier is ineffective at Melee combat. Soldier's melees are better used as utility because he has better weapons for combat (Rocket Launcher 2 shots most classes, why risk hitting someone for 65 damage to get 100 health when you could rocket jump to a health pack?). With items like the Escape plan to run, and Market Gardener for consistent high damage if you have skill, what use does he have for the Zatoichi? Even the Disciplinary Action; a joke/team support weapon is more viable with it's insane melee reach.

Demo on the other hand can make more use out of it because he has melee options that open up more value to it's potential. Getting 100 health plus overheal instantly as a Melee only class can turn you into a tank who can just keep rushing all over the place, cutting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down left and right.

However: In a Soldier vs Demo Zatoichi battle, things get interesting. Demo has the mobility and charge, but one thing I noticed when I used the Zatoichi on Soldier for a while, is Soldier swings slightly faster then Demo does. So in a 1v1, if they both swing; Soldier would beat Demo. Add to the fact that the Half-Zatoichi's longer range also applies to the Soldier, and it makes a decent melee option as long as you're observent and target players also wielding it first and foremost. As your entire rampage will be crushed in one hit otherwise.

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Originally posted by Shadowlord90 (Nikolai):

The reason why this doesn't happen is because Soldier is ineffective at Melee combat. Soldier's melees are better used as utility because he has better weapons for combat (Rocket Launcher 2 shots most classes, why risk hitting someone for 65 damage to get 100 health when you could rocket jump to a health pack?). With items like the Escape plan to run, and Market Gardener for consistent high damage if you have skill, what use does he have for the Zatoichi?

Demo on the other hand can make more use out of it because he has melee options that open up more value to it's potential. Getting 100 health plus overheal instantly as a Melee only class can turn you into a tank who can just keep rushing all over the place, cutting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down left and right.

However: In a Soldier vs Demo Zatoichi battle, things get interesting. Demo has the mobility and charge, but one thing I noticed when I used the Zatoichi on Soldier for a while, is Soldier swings slightly faster then Demo does. So in a 1v1, if they both swing; Soldier would beat Demo. Add to the fact that the Half-Zatoichi's longer range also applies to the Soldier, and it makes a decent melee option as long as you're observent and target players also wielding it first and foremost. As your entire rampage will be crushed in one hit otherwise.

oh my god

[MeisterKenny]

Well the Half Zatoichi on soldier is basicly have 3 ways to use

-have a Kritz medic up your a**

-use it with Backup

-use it with conch to be a samurai a**whooper

[Pakaku]

Simple solution: Concheror

Get damage/kills with your rocket launcher, toot your conch, go on a speedy melee rampage

It even has a stereotypical japanese design, of course you're supposed to use it

[PepsiMax [SAC]]

You are not using it right if you do not wear the Killers Kabuto or the Samur-eye with it.

[Testing]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

Simple solution: Concheror

Get damage/kills with your rocket launcher, toot your conch, go on a speedy melee rampage

It even has a stereotypical japanese design, of course you're supposed to use it

Yeah but then why not just use the rocket launcher?