Stock syringe gun... what's so bad about it?

[cryptidiot]

Okay, first pretend the crossbow doesn't exist (HOLY CRAP WHERE DID THIS ANGRY MOB COME FROM). You have the option of more speed and less damage, more health but less regen, or decent damage and pretty good regen. Seems like stock would be best for most scenarios, right? It's reliable defence without sacrificing passive healing! It's passive healing without sacrificing damage! It's a pretty damn good weapon, and as an added bonus, it makes people salty when you kill them.

Publicado originalmente por Some random spy I killed:

Lol xd medic noob you suck use the crossbow or blutsauger loser look at this dood honhonhonhon baguette

So why do I never see people using it? IT'S A GOOD WEAPON >:V




Also if someone could get a strange killstreak one I would gladly trade for it trade link in my profile we can negotiate through subsequent offers k thanks please give me one

[banana]

Publicado originalmente por 042Legacy:

Publicado originalmente por Spicy Painis:

Because unlike other games, TF2 is balanced.

TF2 is a remnant of what gaming used to be like. You can't really compare it to new games and it would be silly to expect people who play the newer games to understand the game the second they pick it up.

Today developers have to add nice butts and bobs to attract players. Gameplay is mostly spam and balancing won't help if they add another character.

[MrHumbleTom]

Rocket > syringes
Boolet> syringes
Sword> syringes
Bottle>>syringes

A sneez > syringes

[banana]

Publicado originalmente por MrHumbleTom:

Rocket > syringes
Boolet> syringes
Sword> syringes
Bottle>>syringes

A sneez > syringes

A fart > ?

[Tramuntana]

Quoting Sounsmith:
"The syringe gun is... actually, kind of okay. If you can aim it it does pretty decent damage. That said, it's really underused by experienced players, because... you know, the Crossbow just exists."


As far as other syringe guns... I have to put the Blutsauger first, and the Overdose next. Stock is not outright bad by any means, but the lack of added effects just pales in comparison to the negligible downsides of the other syringe guns.

The Overdose's speed boost only starts being effective when you have >70% uber, in wich case you might as well just try to use the ubersaw and pop it on a random teammate that happens to be there.

And 99% of the time you won't have that much Uber AND be alone, unless you decided to charge into the enemy team. And even in those suicide cases, even if you are a crazy-ass like me and don't like using the Ubersaw, wich would allow you to attempt an Uber escape and again turn the Overdose's upside irrelevant, you deserve to die anyway.


The Blutsauger is painted bad because "you only hit 25% of the shots at most, so the downside is much worse than the upside", but the secret is aiming at a slow/unaware enemy to survive a couple seconds more while backup arrives, instead of clumsily shooting at the Scout that is chasing you (if it's not a Scout, you can just outrun them, and they will be easier to shoot, especially pyro, that is forced to come at you on a straight line to damage you, and soldier and heavy, who are too slow to dodge the syringes), that you won't be able to escape from nor defeat in any realistic scenario.

And the Syringe gun gives neither the chance to run away nor the chance to hold your ground, so...

[Nipotazzi]

I assure that the overdose is awesome whit the vaccinator. IM NOT CRAZY. I tryed that by miself: by the faster uber rate and the 100% uber becomed a 25%+25%+25%+25% uber, you will become sonic in no time. And for making someone happy here, the crossbow is useless whit the vaccinator.

[Tramuntana]

Publicado originalmente por Nipotazzi:

I assure that the overdose is awesome whit the vaccinator. IM NOT CRAZY. I tryed that by miself: by the faster uber rate and the 100% uber becomed a 25%+25%+25%+25% uber, you will become sonic in no time. And for making someone happy here, the crossbow is useless whit the vaccinator.

On the contrary, the Vaccinator shines the most with the Crossbow. The Vaccinator, much like the Amputator, was designed for a defensive playstyle. The Overdose becomes redundant as you can just pop one of your extremely disposable mini-ubers to escape if needed.

Plus, because of the reduced overheal, you will need to heal a lot more often, wich makes the Crossbow invaluable (Or you can be a hipster like me and attempt to play Dispenser Simulator 2018, but even then the Crossbow is nice to have on your side as a reliable source of healing).


EDIT: Just tested to be sure, the Vaccinator does not make you get +80% nor makes you get the top speed at 25%. Having the charges split does not make them count as 400% charge.

[C. Taunts]

Stringe gun is very good for self defense, because the slow firing rate on crusader's crossbow may cripple you because it is a projectile weapon and a good pyro can counter you.

I'd recommend use the blutsauger, the downside for it is not working for some reason, even if you miss it would not drain your health.

[Nipotazzi]

Publicado originalmente por Mestral:

Publicado originalmente por Nipotazzi:

I assure that the overdose is awesome whit the vaccinator. IM NOT CRAZY. I tryed that by miself: by the faster uber rate and the 100% uber becomed a 25%+25%+25%+25% uber, you will become sonic in no time. And for making someone happy here, the crossbow is useless whit the vaccinator.

On the contrary, the Vaccinator shines the most with the Crossbow. The Vaccinator, much like the Amputator, was designed for a defensive playstyle. The Overdose becomes redundant as you can just pop one of your extremely disposable mini-ubers to escape if needed.

Plus, because of the reduced overheal, you will need to heal a lot more often, wich makes the Crossbow invaluable (Or you can be a hipster like me and attempt to play Dispenser Simulator 2018, but even then the Crossbow is nice to have on your side as a reliable source of healing).


EDIT: Just tested to be sure, the Vaccinator does not make you get +80% nor makes you get the top speed at 25%. Having the charges split does not make them count as 400% charge.

Uh. So I was totally wrong?

[cryptidiot]

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Publicado originalmente por Nipotazzi:

Publicado originalmente por Mestral:

On the contrary, the Vaccinator shines the most with the Crossbow. The Vaccinator, much like the Amputator, was designed for a defensive playstyle. The Overdose becomes redundant as you can just pop one of your extremely disposable mini-ubers to escape if needed.

Plus, because of the reduced overheal, you will need to heal a lot more often, wich makes the Crossbow invaluable (Or you can be a hipster like me and attempt to play Dispenser Simulator 2018, but even then the Crossbow is nice to have on your side as a reliable source of healing).


EDIT: Just tested to be sure, the Vaccinator does not make you get +80% nor makes you get the top speed at 25%. Having the charges split does not make them count as 400% charge.

Uh. So I was totally wrong?

Not entirely. You get übers incredibly fast, so you're basically always at at least 15% boost.

[spice]

Syringe gun and blutsauger syringes are just too....slow?

You have to aim at ridiculously high angles and lead targets stupidly far ahead because of the slow speed equalling a shallow arc.

It's often why just pressing s+a+d while shooting your syringe gun isn't as effective as some say, not that it even should be in the first place.

But still, they're a bit too slow moving. The travel time is just far too high.

[Emurinus]

The syringe guns just need a slightly faster projectile speed with passive reload. And maybe make the Blutsauger's downside in particular be weapon active rather than passive.

[Supremium]

It's difficult to use against non-rarted players who don't walk in a straight line
You can see the sryinge coming and dodge it because the projectile is that slow

[tekmyndaspy]

Yeah, the stock syringe gun is good, but the crossbow exists. If it didn't exist, then stock would be gr8. But compared to the crossbow... it's kinda stupid to use it in place of the crossbow. Especially if you can aim with the crossbow. Long range healing is godtier.

[BoeKnerr]

Syringe gun: Meh decent

Crossbow: Can deal damage faster and has more utility

[76561197975748082]

nothing bad about it, if you can actually use it well, then thats great. its just that crossbow has healing powers. it'll be up to the medic to decide whether you wanna heal or kill