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fresh 6 ago 2018, ore 22:45
Class Stacking is Dumb and Class Limits need to happen CHANGE MY MIND
Last part of page 3 and part of page 4 are me arguing with a r/imreallysmart kid. Real disscussion is anywhere not there

Humorous at best, a scummy strat most the time.

You see them all the time, usually when you woop their ♥♥♥ on stages 1 and 2. So they decide to stack engy, heavy, medic, and pyro (all with phlogs).

You cant push, you cant dive. You cant go behind. You can't do anything. Just wait for the 10 minute timer to go by while they spam their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ binds in chat.

on the converse.
you have the rare chance where you have class wars!

"everyone medic!" and hilarity ensues!

though we all know what happens most the time.

You win every stage until some incels decide to ruin everyone's fun.
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So, class limits! "Grrrrr! I dont like them because they wont let me play my main class and there is already three f2p's who arent doing anything!"

Well, i feel a bit hypocritical to echo the words of salty boy sud_, but
If they are not doing anything, kick them or tell the team whats going on then: kick them

Class limits were something that helped tf2 and it didnt hurt it, i honestly never understood why they got rid of it in the first place.

So yeah, I was hoping to trigger some emotions and get people thinking. I was hoping if we could get somewhat of a discussion/debate over if it should be reinstated or should stay the same.


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Messaggio originale di dodge globes:
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Hmmm

you bring a lot of valid and strong points!

I like this! Ever since I removed that one guy it seems logical discussion has replaced him.

The problem I have with it though is this,

Which one do you think is the better evil?
No limits or limits?

(well ♥♥♥♥ that's what the whole discussion boils down to)
Evidently, I think no limits is the lesser evil in casual. There's just too many variants in casual to warrant throwing class limits in there. I could see people getting salty over someone taking up the last spot for their favorite class and trying their hardest to bully them into switching or talk their team into kicking them. And what does that do for the new player's experience? That's right, they ain't gonna be playing for long if they get kicked from every game. I know this wouldn't be a direct intended goal behind implementing class limits, but this would be a byproduct with NO doubt.

While I absolutely despise hugbox ultra-inclusive communities that are strong-handed into being fake nice like Siege or OW, I don't have much love for deliberate toxicity, tryhardness, or abuse against very evidently new players. ♥♥♥♥, I remember MY first game on TF2. Was back in 2013-14, I saw a video about how scout was extremely powerful and kept running to mid on well in a straight line and dying over and over to the same soldier. And you know what? I was having fun. It was trippy as hell to hear him scream ♥♥♥♥ at me, to hear the other characters' voicelines etc. And look at me now, I'm top frag in any casual (and often times comp) game I play, because TF2 is a game that takes time to be good at, and that's a good thing. But I guarantee you, I wouldn't have stuck around as long as I have if I was getting kicked out of every single game I played because I was bad. And if class limits are implemented, TF2 as a game will be dead within a few years with a pop of 500 who happen to be the top of the top players basking in their hivemind and tryhardness in casual games while each of them slowly abandons the game when they realize it's completely dead.

♥♥♥♥, not even going that deep, class limits bring all sorts of problems even without that. What if someone's taking up heavy and just being friendly? I know people on the forums for some reason have this unexplainable hatred towards friendlies, but they're part of the game and even Valve acknowledges that. Those people have spent money on cosmetics, money on taunts, money on stupid decals for their conscientious objector. They want to show that off and they just wanna have a silly moment in a sillier game.

My whole point being, stop taking casual so seriously. Listen, I know it's extremely frustrating to absolutely roll a game and lose the 2nd half because your team had 7 F2Ps on it, 4 of them playing sniper, 2 of them playing spy, and 1 playing engi building out in the open whose sentry gets destroyed every time it reaches level 2. I know because I play in one of those games at least once a day. It's frustrating, but you have to understand that without those bad players, TF2 as a game will die.
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:30 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Kid just stop

You're trying to get the last word in and when people see this, they're not going to go "WOWZA! HE REALLY REKT THAT ANGRY GUY!" no they're going to go "Wow this dexter guy really is a ♥♥♥♥"
The fact you care so much about how people perceive others really makes your own insecurities pop huh?
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:31 
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Kid just stop

You're trying to get the last word in and when people see this, they're not going to go "WOWZA! HE REALLY REKT THAT ANGRY GUY!" no they're going to go "Wow this dexter guy really is a ♥♥♥♥"
The fact you care so much about how people perceive others really makes your own insecurities pop huh?

The fact you're arguing this much trying to play the wise guy when in reality, you're just trying to get the last word in to sound cool and strong becaus in reality: your arguement was trash and you're a masochist.
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:33 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
The fact you care so much about how people perceive others really makes your own insecurities pop huh?

The fact you're arguing this much trying to play the wise guy when in reality, you're just trying to get the last word in to sound cool and strong becaus in reality: your arguement was trash and you're a masochist.
You keep talking about getting the last word in and how im trying to be the wise guy when in reality, you are still talking. Perhaps you are trying to... get the last word in 🤔
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:33 
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:

The fact you're arguing this much trying to play the wise guy when in reality, you're just trying to get the last word in to sound cool and strong becaus in reality: your arguement was trash and you're a masochist.
You keep talking about getting the last word in and how im trying to be the wise guy when in reality, you are still talking. Perhaps you are trying to... get the last word in 🤔


You did the r/imreallysmart version of 'no u'

Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me.

I want to put this on r/imreallysmart now.
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:34 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
You keep talking about getting the last word in and how im trying to be the wise guy when in reality, you are still talking. Perhaps you are trying to... get the last word in 🤔


You did the r/imreallysmart version of 'no u'

Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me.

I want to put this on r/imreallysmart now.
Go ahead feel free to. Hope it makes you happy, you seem to need it.
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:35 
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:


You did the r/imreallysmart version of 'no u'

Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me.

I want to put this on r/imreallysmart now.
Go ahead feel free to. Hope it makes you happy, you seem to need it.

No I dont, I want to drag this on

Make it more evident for mods to lock and just stretch out your stupidity

It's like taffy, the more I pull and stretch. The better quality I'm getting out of you.

You're comedy gold kid.
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:37 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Go ahead feel free to. Hope it makes you happy, you seem to need it.

No I dont, I want to drag this on

Make it more evident for mods to lock and just stretch out your stupidity

It's like taffy, the more I pull and stretch. The better quality I'm getting out of you.

You're comedy gold kid.
Oh now you're just trying to get a laugh out of it huh? Well just shows how much of an argument you were willing to have.
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:38 
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Oh now you're just trying to get a laugh out of it huh? Well just shows how much of an argument you were willing to have.

God the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ migraine is coming back.

You really are pretentious.

Here's some smart things that I know you'd fail that I'm sure you'd now with your "big brain":
SAT
ACT
The Mirror Recognition Test
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76561198357292090 7 ago 2018, ore 10:39 
No, casual should be a place where people can either practice new strategies, or just goof around and off class. Moreover most people who play casual don't play to win or play the objective. They go in to farm their stranges, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, pub stomp or again practice new strats or different classes. So this isn't just a problem with the fact that there's low stakes in casual, but an inherent "problem" with how the community sees casual mode.

Yes people do get pissed off most of the time when they lose a casual match. We've all seen it hundreds of times now, where entire servers get emptied out from one team the moment a phase or map is over with. Hell there are matches where I've seen my entire team have k/d below 1.0 which leaves me so demoralized I just queue for another server. However this doesn't mean everyone suddenly wants rigorous comp like restrictions set in place.
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:41 
Messaggio originale di Glycomere#RemoveRandomCrits:
No, casual should be a place where people can either practice new strategies, or just goof around and off class. Moreover most people who play casual don't play to win or play the objective. They go in to farm their stranges, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, pub stomp or again practice new strats or different classes. So this isn't just a problem with the fact that there's low stakes in casual, but an inherent "problem" with how the community sees casual mode.

Yes people do get pissed off most of the time when they lose a casual match. We've all seen it hundreds of times now, where entire servers get emptied out from one team the moment a phase or map is over with. Hell there are matches where I've seen my entire team have k/d below 1.0 which leaves me so demoralized I just queue for another server. However this doesn't mean everyone suddenly wants rigorous comp like restrictions set in place.
THANK YOU!

SOMEONE BACK ON THE ARGUEMENT

I actually like you're arguement!

I do have one question on where you can flush it out a bit more

What about in the case of deliberate failure?

Where someone will do great, great, great! and then leave the match or don't do anything. While the whole team relied on him.

It's a perspective I want some light on becaues everyone has dealt with it before.
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:41 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
Oh now you're just trying to get a laugh out of it huh? Well just shows how much of an argument you were willing to have.

God the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ migraine is coming back.

You really are pretentious.

Here's some smart things that I know you'd fail that I'm sure you'd now with your "big brain":
SAT
ACT
The Mirror Recognition Test
I am pretentious? Well you're the one assuming everyone is as dumb as rock while you are some sort of intellectual god. But no you're right I'm pretentious.
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fresh 7 ago 2018, ore 10:43 
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
I am pretentious? Well you're the one assuming everyone is as dumb as rock while you are some sort of intellectual god. But no you're right I'm pretentious.

Leave,
Someone else is in the disscussion who actually wants to have the discussion. If you still want to pretend like you're big brain sarg you can but I'm going to ignore because

I actually want to have a disscussion and dont want to argue with some reddit kid.

Respond if you will, you're just proving your arrogance and ignorance.
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Tom 7 ago 2018, ore 10:45 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di Glycomere#RemoveRandomCrits:
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THANK YOU!

SOMEONE BACK ON THE ARGUEMENT

I actually like you're arguement!

I do have one question on where you can flush it out a bit more

What about in the case of deliberate failure?

Where someone will do great, great, great! and then leave the match or don't do anything. While the whole team relied on him.

It's a perspective I want some light on becaues everyone has dealt with it before.
Usually if someone like that leaves its due to some irl stuff, getting bored of being in the same match or just feeling frustrated for nobody else doing anything
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dxtr 7 ago 2018, ore 10:46 
Messaggio originale di *angrydognoises*:
Messaggio originale di DE✘TER:
I am pretentious? Well you're the one assuming everyone is as dumb as rock while you are some sort of intellectual god. But no you're right I'm pretentious.

Leave,
Someone else is in the disscussion who actually wants to have the discussion. If you still want to pretend like you're big brain sarg you can but I'm going to ignore because

I actually want to have a disscussion and dont want to argue with some reddit kid.

Respond if you will, you're just proving your arrogance and ignorance.
Like i said, telling me to leave just doesn't work. I respect the other person's opinion and argument. Not yours.
And by the way, you are the one who mentioned reddit kiddo, don't try to turn thr tables.
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Emurinus 7 ago 2018, ore 10:46 
As much as class limits would be nice, the biggest issue is that you'll have potatoes stacking a certain class in hopes of winning the game which would limit good players from cleaning up for them.


The best way to address class stacking is with a proper tutorial and limit how effective certain stacks are.

Engies, for example, should have their repair/upgrade functions cut in half for fixing their teammate's buildings, which limits how effective Engy nests are. Sniper, Spy, and Medic already limiting themselves in larger groups since they lack offensive/defensive power by themselves. Heavy stacks are a bigger problem on Payload than anything, so removing or lessening the ability to gain minigun ammo from the cart would limit how useful they are there.
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