Darwin's Danger Shield Rework?

[twunny phaiv]

It literally only counters Pyro. One class. ONE CLASS THAT IS ONLY A MINOR ANNOYANCE FOR SNIPER NORMALLY. AND IT'S MAINLY FOR COUNTERING FLARE GUNS. AND SNIPER ALREADY HAS 2 OTHER WEAPONS FOR COUNTERING PYRO


Man I hate this weapon. I know it was worse before, but it's just stupid right now.

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av spooky twunny phaiv:

Ursprungligen skrivet av krawtch:

Darwin's is hilarious because it lets you win by meleeing a pyro while they hold m1 and throw their mouse around the room.

Weapons aren't designed around hilarity.

The market gardener, Mann treads, and bison would like to have a word with you.

But I totally agree with you, leave the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to soldier

[twunny phaiv]

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

Ursprungligen skrivet av spooky twunny phaiv:

Weapons aren't designed around hilarity.

The market gardener, Mann treads, and bison would like to have a word with you.

But I totally agree with you, leave the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to soldier

Those weapons all have the potential to be viable while still being funny, or are already viable.

[Emurinus]

Ursprungligen skrivet av spooky twunny phaiv:

Ursprungligen skrivet av krawtch:

Darwin's is hilarious because it lets you win by meleeing a pyro while they hold m1 and throw their mouse around the room.

Weapons aren't designed around hilarity.

Bison, Hot Hand, Holy Mackeral, Ullapool Caber, Holiday Punch, and probably a few more I can't immediately think of.

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Death By Random Crits:

Ursprungligen skrivet av spooky twunny phaiv:

Weapons aren't designed around hilarity.

Bison, Hot Hand, Holy Mackeral, Ullapool Caber, Holiday Punch, and probably a few more I can't immediately think of.

Way to one up me guy...

[trash]

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

No it makes pyro completely obsolete unless the sniper is brain dead.

sniper is a long range class
pyro is a close range class
pyro is not meant to be dealing with snipers
pyro has other things he should be doing than spamming flares at some dude halfway across the map

For some perspective it take 5 shots with the dragon’s fury to kill one. FIVE.(last time I did it at least, mihpght have been a fluke)

so stop shooting him with the fury and equip the shotgun
you can change weapons too

And let’s add some perspective, if there was a weapon that gave sniper 50% rocket resistance and takes no knockback from them, would it be fair?

false equivalence
soldier /is/ a class that can and should be putting pressure on snipers, and has the mobility to do so
rockets are also significantly slower than flares and require more resources than flares which are passive reload + fire and forget

again, equipping the dds requires unequipping the razorback/jarate/camper which are all very strong secondaries, only to counter one type of damage that only a single class has realistic access to
that enables spies to pick the sniper and teammates to not end up soaked in minicrits
a very significant tradeoff that benefits the sniper's enemies more than himself

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

No it makes pyro completely obsolete unless the sniper is brain dead.

sniper is a long range class
pyro is a close range class
pyro is not meant to be dealing with snipers
pyro has other things he should be doing than spamming flares at some dude halfway across the map

For some perspective it take 5 shots with the dragon’s fury to kill one. FIVE.(last time I did it at least, mihpght have been a fluke)

so stop shooting him with the fury and equip the shotgun
you can change weapons too

And let’s add some perspective, if there was a weapon that gave sniper 50% rocket resistance and takes no knockback from them, would it be fair?

false equivalence
soldier /is/ a class that can and should be putting pressure on snipers, and has the mobility to do so
rockets are also significantly slower than flares and require more resources than flares which are passive reload + fire and forget

again, equipping the dds requires unequipping the razorback/jarate/camper which are all very strong secondaries, only to counter one type of damage that only a single class has realistic access to
that enables spies to pick the sniper and teammates to not end up soaked in minicrits
a very significant tradeoff that benefits the sniper's enemies more than himself

Pyro and sniper counter each other, one at close range and the other at long range, when they give pyro a secondary that makes him 50 percent headshot resistant then I’ll be fine with the danger shield.

I can kill a heavy in 5 shots. A heavy.
And most of not all competent pyros use a flare gun to cover the range they don’t have with primaries, so using a shotgun makes your secondary moot more often than not.

Pyro can take out snipers, easily, unless they’re elevated high off the ground and next to a cliff. And sniper more often than not are on the ground, at equivalent or easily accessed ground relative to the pyro

I’ve met one sniper who uses jirate well, I’ve met 0 snipers who use the camper other than me, and I’ve met 1 spy who didn’t realize he has a gun 24/7 and he had never played the game before.

[twunny phaiv]

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

sniper is a long range class
pyro is a close range class
pyro is not meant to be dealing with snipers
pyro has other things he should be doing than spamming flares at some dude halfway across the map

sniper is a long range class
pyro is a close range class
pyro is meant to destroy sniper at close range
sniper is not meant to hard counter pyro in close range

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

so stop shooting him with the fury and equip the shotgun
you can change weapons too

it makes about half of pyro's weapons useless, and being forced to switch to the shotgun to counter it shouldn't happen.

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

again, equipping the dds requires unequipping the razorback/jarate/camper which are all very strong secondaries, only to counter one type of damage that only a single class has realistic access to
that enables spies to pick the sniper and teammates to not end up soaked in minicrits
a very significant tradeoff that benefits the sniper's enemies more than himself

that's kind of a big problem though, the fact that it has literally no use besides countering Pyro means that its role is very limited, and it's often outshone by the other options. And when it is useful, it's a straight up hard counter.

[King Arthur]

They should remove the fire resistence or the no afterburn

And make razorback great again

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av King Arthur:

They should remove the fire resistence or the no afterburn

And make razorback great again

Definitely the fire resistance, I can live without afterburn but I can’t live with 40 dps(no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ jokes that’s how bad it gets)

[twunny phaiv]

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Death By Random Crits:

Bison, Hot Hand, Holy Mackeral, Ullapool Caber, Holiday Punch, and probably a few more I can't immediately think of.

Way to one up me guy...

ok you both got me

[WE ARE SO BACK]

i think every class should just get a darwins shield so pyro can stop being a broken annoying class

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Saltydumi:

i think every class should just get a darwins shield so pyro can stop being a broken annoying class

I’d say you’re dumber than a hammer, but that would insult hammers more than you

[trash]

like i don't disagree the weapon is iffy if you're disregarding that sniper has other better counter weapons, but is disengaging the sniper and just shooting someone else really that big of a deal?
you're not owed a free kill on any player you walk into
stop trying to kill him and deal with other stuff
the other 8 classes can handle the sniper
or realistically, just your team's sniper but whatever

m1 flames are still free damage with the skill indexing they come with, and it's not like the sniper is literally immune to damage and can just beat on the pyro
chances are any sniper out of position is half dead and you'll m1 him into the ground anyways
demo was sitting on the same weapon for years and all the pyros were like wee free kill since i can airblast and use the shotgun
it's just flare immunity and situational flamer res that doesn't even come into play since the pyro isn't/shouldnt be getting near the sniper to begin with
not that good

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

And most of not all competent pyros use a flare gun to cover the range they don’t have with primaries, so using a shotgun makes your secondary moot more often than not.

shotty is like the best secondary by a noticable margin
pyro really isn't a range class and due to his nature of being situational, trying to add some distance instead of playing to your strengths generally isn't as good

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

Pyro can take out snipers, easily, unless they’re elevated high off the ground and next to a cliff. And sniper more often than not are on the ground, at equivalent or easily accessed ground relative to the pyro

them some bad snipers

I’ve met one sniper who uses jirate well, I’ve met 0 snipers who use the camper other than me, and I’ve met 1 spy who didn’t realize he has a gun 24/7 and he had never played the game before.

training dummies aren't really an indicator of the class

[twunny phaiv]

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

like i don't disagree the weapon is iffy if you're disregarding that sniper has other better counter weapons, but is disengaging the sniper and just shooting someone else really that big of a deal?
you're not owed a free kill on any player you walk into
stop trying to kill him and deal with other stuff
the other 8 classes can handle the sniper
or realistically, just your team's sniper but whatever

If the Pyro is in a good position, then he absolutely deserves the kill. You're trying to dodge the fact that the very concept of hard countering Pyro when he deserves the kill is broken.

[rad_knight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av slop:

like i don't disagree the weapon is iffy if you're disregarding that sniper has other better counter weapons, but is disengaging the sniper and just shooting someone else really that big of a deal?
you're not owed a free kill on any player you walk into
stop trying to kill him and deal with other stuff
the other 8 classes can handle the sniper
or realistically, just your team's sniper but whatever

m1 flames are still free damage with the skill indexing they come with, and it's not like the sniper is literally immune to damage and can just beat on the pyro
chances are any sniper out of position is half dead and you'll m1 him into the ground anyways
demo was sitting on the same weapon for years and all the pyros were like wee free kill since i can airblast and use the shotgun
it's just flare immunity and situational flamer res that doesn't even come into play since the pyro isn't/shouldnt be getting near the sniper to begin with
not that good

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

And most of not all competent pyros use a flare gun to cover the range they don’t have with primaries, so using a shotgun makes your secondary moot more often than not.

shotty is like the best secondary by a noticable margin
pyro really isn't a range class and due to his nature of being situational, trying to add some distance instead of playing to your strengths generally isn't as good

Ursprungligen skrivet av rad_knight:

Pyro can take out snipers, easily, unless they’re elevated high off the ground and next to a cliff. And sniper more often than not are on the ground, at equivalent or easily accessed ground relative to the pyro

them some bad snipers

I’ve met one sniper who uses jirate well, I’ve met 0 snipers who use the camper other than me, and I’ve met 1 spy who didn’t realize he has a gun 24/7 and he had never played the game before.

training dummies aren't really an indicator of the class

Skipping the first part because it’s way to long, sorry if I miss something important

Okay I’ll give you that, but the shotgun is a close range weapon just like the flamethrower so it’s pretty redundant

Yes, but that doesn’t matter because they have some gator skin

Not talking about them, I mean acctual pubbers