Dead Ringer Fix

[c0mplex]

Right now the DR kinda sucks. It’s not worth using. The Dead Ringer was fine since its initial reworks back when it came out in the Sniper x Spy update. Just like pre Jungle Inferno except for the speed boost and fire resistance. Before the Retarded buff that made the DR brain dead and impossible to counter with the speed boost. Before Jungle inferno, the DR was not op, but too annoying to fight against, cause when u used it u would basically just run super quick with the speed boost to the nearest ammo pack, so it was basically impossible to counter, cause when u got to the ammo pack the spy would have already taken it. With this fix though, an enemy could get to the ammo packs pretty much as fast as you with the DR. Then the enemy would just spycheck the ammo pack and kill th spy. That way the watch wouldn’t just play the game for you, u would have to be careful before running to the ammo packs, cause an enemy would be there. So basically this would add a way to counter the Dead Ringer, if it’s being annoying, u can just predict to where the spy will go after using the DR and ambush him

[c0mplex]

An example of this is the pre gun mettle DR, cause that was exactly what happened that time, when it didn’t have the speed boost. It wasn’t much of an issue, that’s why they probably buffed, thinking it sucked and made it stupid op like it was pre Jungle Inferno

[Emurinus]

It's fine now because it's not super spammable. If you use it right then you'll still get the job done.

[c0mplex]

well, its useless right now. its not worth spending half of the match waiting for it to be ready. its way bette to use the inviswatch cause u will always be on the move

[Dog Pound]

I agree that it should be refillable via ammo boxes but otherwise it's perfectly fine

[particle systems]

If they revert it they should remove the Speed Boost and Fire resistance. It was broken and overpowered before Jungle Update -_-

[trash]

sounds like you're not managing your cloak well, finding yourself out of charge, and then hiding in the corner waiting for it to recharge and blaming the weapon instead of your inability to make use of good positioning and the speed boost it gives
stop popping it on 5 damage chip every 3 seconds when you screw up

[c0mplex]

Originally posted by Biff™:

If they revert it they should remove the Speed Boost and Fire resistance. It was broken and overpowered before Jungle Update -_-

thats exactly my point .-.

[c0mplex]

Originally posted by playing tf2 through teamviewer:

sounds like you're not managing your cloak well, finding yourself out of charge, and then hiding in the corner waiting for it to recharge and blaming the weapon instead of your inability to make use of good positioning and the speed boost it gives
stop popping it on 5 damage chip every 3 seconds when you screw up

no, u use the weapon and u instantly have to wait at least 20 seconds for it to recharge. this is not an inviswatch, u lose half of the bar when u use it. and sometimes i cant just instantly decloak after a use. what do u mean by popping it on a 5 damage chip? u are supposed to use it when u are in situations u might need to go away.
have u ever used the Dead Ringer?

[Dominic]

If you ask me it should of never been a watch the point of sneaking around is sneaking not running face first into a group of people and praying for a kill then faking your death and getting away.

[c0mplex]

Originally posted by Dominic:

If you ask me it should of never been a watch the point of sneaking around is sneaking not running face first into a group of people and praying for a kill then faking your death and getting away.

nice, spy is supposed to be a class countered by looking at your back. Just make spy always take crits. that would make him balanced, just dont get hit or seen and u wont be crit

[Dominic]

Originally posted by Audi R8:

Originally posted by Dominic:

If you ask me it should of never been a watch the point of sneaking around is sneaking not running face first into a group of people and praying for a kill then faking your death and getting away.

nice, spy is supposed to be a class countered by looking at your back. Just make spy always take crits. that would make him balanced, just dont get hit or seen and u wont be crit

Spy is counterd by one person using voice chat.

Not to mention Spy can face stap so it does not matter where you look so much.

[Frözen]

The DR is still good, you just gotta be a master with it

[c0mplex]

Originally posted by Dominic:

Originally posted by Audi R8:

nice, spy is supposed to be a class countered by looking at your back. Just make spy always take crits. that would make him balanced, just dont get hit or seen and u wont be crit

Spy is counterd by one person using voice chat.

Not to mention Spy can face stap so it does not matter where you look so much.

thats it! if the enemy team is comunicating, spy is completely useless! thats why the DR was used so much in competitive, cause it was efective (even without the speed boost) even if the enemy was comunicating.

[c0mplex]

Originally posted by FFC The Frözenfires:

The DR is still good, you just gotta be a master with it

have u used it?

[Dominic]

Originally posted by Audi R8:

Originally posted by Dominic:

Spy is counterd by one person using voice chat.

Not to mention Spy can face stap so it does not matter where you look so much.

thats it! if the enemy team is comunicating, spy is completely useless! thats why the DR was used so much in competitive, cause it was efective (even without the speed boost) even if the enemy was comunicating.

That is why I found Spy to just be good at background communitaction. He can tell people where people are and how many and if a uber is almost ready.

Main issue with Spy is there is no friendly fire.