Panic Attack vs Stock Shotgun

[Evoxrus XV]

Which is better?

[BaharrothBluu]

Stock for Engineer, idk for the others. But, imo, aside from Pyro v pyro, all non-engie classes have better alternatives for shotguns in general.

[Kwagar]

stock.

[Galactic Yoshi]

Originally posted by ShadowSpin:

Stock for Engineer, idk for the others.

[Gamer720]

I used panic attack on pyro with backscratcher and i got 6 kills in a row. No really.

[Vlad the Impala]

Pretty good for soldier, the switch speed gives it some incredible finishing potential.

[[NX]TukangKetoprak]

Originally posted by Clive Palmer's Tim Tams:

Pretty good for soldier, the switch speed gives it some incredible finishing potential.

i second that

a dang FINE finisher

[[NX]TukangKetoprak]

Originally posted by ShadowSpin:

My ocd sense is tingling.

oh please, i'm not that one guy who complain about the change and have named it "ol' reliable"

[BaharrothBluu]

Originally posted by crash2262:

Originally posted by ShadowSpin:

My ocd sense is tingling.

oh please, i'm not that one guy who complain about the change and have named it "ol' reliable"

It is fixed, thankfully.

[trash]

panic lets you get near-instant extra damage
better on soldier than pyro because you're typically at close range when using the shotty vs pyro using his secondary to pepper people at midrange

it's not bad at all, but the shotty is more generalized

engie is whatever

[LETSCHARGETOGETHERATFULLPOWER]

Mah Dispenser

[[NX]TukangKetoprak]

Originally posted by God:

Mah Dispenser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M48NfU4cTAY

[[s]aint_el]

Can someone explain me the stats of the panic attack didn't quite get the stat description too dumb to understand

[trash]

Originally posted by Sno3-C16:

Can someone explain me the stats of the panic attack didn't quite get the stat description too dumb to understand

you can switch to it way faster than the stock shotgun

it shoots more pellets than the shotgun, but each pellet does less damage, meaning you need to be closer to make more of them hit to get full damage

the pellet spread is always the same, but it gets wider each time you shoot, making it harder to land most of the pellets until you wait a bit for the accuracy to reset, similar to the revolvers

[Coboxite]

On the two classes where it matters(Pyro and Soly), Panic is the meta shotgun right now, especially pyro with degreaser. If you switch weapons, you reset the cone of fire(which is also fixed for the Panic attack). With good reflexes, you can get around the Panic attacks biggest weakness entirely, and becomes a straight upgrade with enough skill.


Engie has better options, and Heavy is better off using a Lunchbox item anyway

[dat_potatoe]

The Panic Attack is basically worthless.

First, the damage. I did the math then did tests to confirm. The Shotgun maxes at 90 damage, while the Panic Attack maxes at 94 damage. They are virtually the same in max damage there so there's no benefit in this area to using Panic Attack over Stock. In fact the average damage for the Panic Attack is a lot lower, more on that below.

Second, the spread. Even the initial spread of the Panic Attack is too poor to be used at anything but point blank range.

Image One, Stock Shotgun after two shots:
https://i.imgur.com/Pnnjw5W.jpg

I had enabled fixed spread pattern for consistency but it was doing anywhere between 38 and 60 damage anyways without it.

Image Two, Panic Attack after three shots:
https://i.imgur.com/leKwAWM.jpg

The faded 26 is the very first shot. Already only half the shots of the stock shotgun are hitting from medium range. The second and third shot lead to barely doing any damage at all, while the Stock would be doing 40-60 from the same range.

I could screenshot at half this range but you'd find the results are still basically the same, still weighed heavily in the Stock's favor.

With good reflexes, you can get around the Panic attacks biggest weakness entirely, and becomes a straight upgrade with enough skill.

Switching constantly negates the upside of having a faster switch speed. It's both faster and more reliable to just switch to the stock shotgun a single time then unload on enemies if you're planning on multiple shots.

TLDR: If the enemy is within point blank range, and only needs one shot to kill, and you can't use your primary without taking damage, then the Panic Attack is better than the Stock. Outside of that very niche situation it's not.

If you're worried about having a weapon to draw quickly just go with the Reserve Shooter instead. It's not completely gimped.