Clarification on SSS system?

[Maniak 2000]

I read the tutorial and understand how it works...... but still would like to clarify few things (Without spoilers please).
1) Does it matter how low or high you set "trust" (or "sense)" for characters? Or it doesn't as long as 1 character is "ahead" of others?
2) Is there a way to switch to a traditional choice system? I read in other topic one user mentioned that at one point the game offers you to change to a traditional choice system, is that true?

[kilicool64]

1) It depends. There are some branches that check how high certain Senses are. But other branches instead depend on a certain character's Senses being higher than another's.

2) After you get a root's true ending, you can use a feature called Answer Mode in it that allows you to select every possible outcome directly. However, this is a bit of a cheat, so you still need to use the SSS conventionally at first.

If the whole system is too confusing to you, here's a tip on how to simplify it: Never use any values other than 1, 5 and 9. You can get every possible outcome with them alone. Also, 5 is almost never required, so it's usually best to ignore it as well. There is only one branch where you'll need it, and that will be made very clear to you.

[ffleader1]

Originally posted by kilicool64:

If the whole system is too confusing to you, here's a tip on how to simplify it: Never use any values other than 1, 5 and 9. You can get every possible outcome with them alone. Also, 5 is almost never required, so it's usually best to ignore it as well. There is only one branch where you'll need it, and that will be made very clear to you.

Nice tip. So basically, most of the game is about setting which character's sense should be higher than the other... Now I wish it would have been more complicated T.T
Anyway, if you don't mind, does this Visual Novel have an game engine's name. Nothing fishy actually. I just want to keep track of some little details of all the Visual Novel that I have read, including game engine it uses. And it would sound nicer with an engine name, like Unity, Ren'py or Kirikiri, rather than "Yeti's custom game engine.

[kilicool64]

Originally posted by ffleader1:

Originally posted by kilicool64:

If the whole system is too confusing to you, here's a tip on how to simplify it: Never use any values other than 1, 5 and 9. You can get every possible outcome with them alone. Also, 5 is almost never required, so it's usually best to ignore it as well. There is only one branch where you'll need it, and that will be made very clear to you.

Nice tip. So basically, most of the game is about setting which character's sense should be higher than the other... Now I wish it would have been more complicated T.T
Anyway, if you don't mind, does this Visual Novel have an game engine's name. Nothing fishy actually. I just want to keep track of some little details of all the Visual Novel that I have read, including game engine it uses. And it would sound nicer with an engine name, like Unity, Ren'py or Kirikiri, rather than "Yeti's custom game engine.

There are also some branches that check how high you set certain Senses, but these conditions can also all be fulfilled with this strategy.

As for the engine's name, I don't think it has one. It seems to be an in-house engine used exclusively by Regista, so I guess they saw no reason to name it.

[ffleader1]

Originally posted by kilicool64:

There are also some branches that check how high you set certain Senses, but these conditions can also all be fulfilled with this strategy.

Hmm...that reminds me of when you get tho change the SSS when it's blue. In the tutorial it says they are not really important, but should not be neglected too much. I still have not figured what doesl the blue SSS do. So I guess there are branches where the blue SSS will decides, and both branches are non-lethal?

Originally posted by kilicool64:

As for the engine's name, I don't think it has one. It seems to be an in-house engine used exclusively by Regista, so I guess they saw no reason to name it.

Ah, okay, I see, thank you.

[Maniak 2000]

If the game checks for how high you set senses for characters in order to show you stuff, wouldn't then setting everyone's senses to almost max, and then setting character you want to go with (so to speak, in each branch point) to the max, be a viable tactic?

Or does the game also check for "low enough" senses for something?

P.s. I'm so using answer mode when I get the chance.

[kilicool64]

Originally posted by ffleader1:

Originally posted by kilicool64:

There are also some branches that check how high you set certain Senses, but these conditions can also all be fulfilled with this strategy.

Hmm...that reminds me of when you get tho change the SSS when it's blue. In the tutorial it says they are not really important, but should not be neglected too much. I still have not figured what doesl the blue SSS do. So I guess there are branches where the blue SSS will decides, and both branches are non-lethal?

Blue branches have minimal initial effects, but usually have the potential to change the characters' favor towards the protagonist. There are a few that don't do anything though. There is also a single blue branch that can potentially have severe consequences if you screw it up, but as long as you have hints turned on, you will be informed about this after messing up.

Originally posted by Maniak 2000:

If the game checks for how high you set senses for characters in order to show you stuff, wouldn't then setting everyone's senses to almost max, and then setting character you want to go with (so to speak, in each branch point) to the max, be a viable tactic?

Or does the game also check for "low enough" senses for something?

P.s. I'm so using answer mode when I get the chance.

Yes, there are also branches that penalize you for setting Senses too high. Don't just set everyone's Senses to 9 on every occasion. Like I said earlier though, you can get almost every possible outcome by relying exclusively on the settings 1 and 9.

[Maniak 2000]

How does the system deal with equal trust \ senses? I mean if the branch requires to "choose" between let's say 2 characters (set one character's trust above the other), if I set both on equal trust, wil the game default to "bad" choice? Or does earlier branches come into play? Is it random?

[kilicool64]

Originally posted by Maniak 2000:

How does the system deal with equal trust \ senses? I mean if the branch requires to "choose" between let's say 2 characters (set one character's trust above the other), if I set both on equal trust, wil the game default to "bad" choice? Or does earlier branches come into play? Is it random?

Branches that want you to choose between several characters often have logic like this:

If Character A's Senses are higher than Character B's Senses, select Answer #1. If not, select Answer #2.

Though there are some rare examples that take it one step further and work like this:

If Character A's Senses are higher than Character B's Senses, select Answer #1. If they are lower, select Answer #2. If they are just as high, select Answer #3.

[Maniak 2000]

This system is so vague....

[DatGuyDom]

Gotta rez the topic..
Someone told my character not to do something so to make sure that I won't do it I set my characters sense to 1 and the other characters sense to 9..
He ignored the advice and died. What in the world is this?

[kilicool64]

The rules behind the system aren't consistent. Sometimes, setting the protagonist's Senses low tells him to listen to other people's warnings and avoid danger. At other times, doing so tells him not to prioritize his own safety and put himself in danger.

In situations like this, you basically have to guess what you're actually controlling.

[kouneyagami]

sorry to once again revive the topic here, but i'm trying to make a flowchart for this game and im wondering if theres any list of branches that are based on certain senses, or any way to view the senses in game / set them at any time either through normal methods or debug stuff, as it would make my job a lot easier here lol

[kilicool64]

Not sure if that's what you're looking for, but once you finish a root, you can use Answer Mode to pick every possible branch directly.

[kouneyagami]

oh yeah, im aware of answer mode, it doesn't really give me any info i couldnt find from a walkthrough though

[kilicool64]

There's no other in-game features to make the structure more apparent. I can tell you what I remember about noteworthy branches if you want, but it's been a while since I read this VN.