Root Double -Before Crime * After Days- Xtend Edition

Root Double -Before Crime * After Days- Xtend Edition

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root D normal ends :impression:
I went with B -> A -> C -> D.

it feels like root C wasn't that important since you just --know-- it was Natsuhiko who's commanding the Captain in root A in the first place. resulting to reading root C a chore. besides the small additional info you'd get in root C, I still can't help but feel like I made quite some "junk reading" there.

And now for the very bad parts (imo). bad end 1 and 2 of root B made no sense whatsoever. if you didn't trusted Mashiro, the door won't open? literally wut? Salyu was even worse. even if he didn't get a good impression of her in the choice part, the next day would have solved it since they'd be buying clothes for her, so he'd get a more favorable impression of her when D-day strikes. but nooo, can't trust that little girl eh?

predictable at this point that mom is gonna play a huge beetch here. well someone's gonna play the bad guy (or girl) right? my problem is how beetchy she'll play that role but I'm guessing she'll like hammer a small crack that would open a huge hole or something.

On to the good parts. Disregarding the first dead end (which felt like a troll bad end), the dead ends of root A really made me feel the importance of dealing with fire. that a small mishap would result to all your team dying. I wish more VNs do this instead of crappy SoL junk (I'm looking at you B...). the plot threads tying together in D felt nice to read. Nagisa felt like torture porn once you considered that the "malice" is just a plot device for the sake of plot device. Finally Yuuri is best girl. Mashiro is just too one-note to feel any character out of her.

Overall it wasn't that bad, but wasn't that good either. 7/10 I guess.
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kilicool64 May 18, 2016 @ 3:07pm 
Root B's bad endings don't actually happen. As mentioned in Yuuri's memories, they're just hallucinations she created whenever she noticed Natsuhiko didn't have enough trust in Mashiro and Salyu in order to show him how dangerous his current mindset is.
Blick Winkel May 19, 2016 @ 12:00am 
The malice isn't just a plot device, it's commentary on the nature of man. When we are born into this world as crying infants, we only know negative impulses like selfishness and fear. Our experiences and socialization teach us things like values which vary from person to person. By losing your "self" through the muddying of multitudes of memories and life experiences, all that remains are the common, base impulses we all share, that is, the malice. I believe "man is inherently evil" is the message Nagisa is meant to convey, similar to how in Remember11, the unborn twins, when given adult bodies, stab "Enomoto" to death for the hell of it.

The Root B bad endings are directly stated to have been falsified memories Yuuri made when she rewound Natsuhiko's "time" as a way to show him the error of his ways. The text box frames subtly show you if a particular passage takes place in the present, past, or if it's a falsified memory. In this way, the Root B bad endings are more important than the Root A bad endings since the former actually "happen" in a sense while the latter clearly are just dead ends that didn't happen in any capacity.
Pay Child Suport May 19, 2016 @ 3:45am 
Wow I didn't made the connection about Yuuri and the B bad ends. that slipped past me alright.

As for nagisa, you guys seem to imply she'll play a huge role in the true/grand end.
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 2:49am 
Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:
Wow I didn't made the connection about Yuuri and the B bad ends. that slipped past me alright.

As for nagisa, you guys seem to imply she'll play a huge role in the true/grand end.
Nagissa said herself. What is a common between all of her personalities? What allowed her to remain sain? Malice. In a basic concept Humans are wild animals with desire to eat, sleep, reproduce and destroy everything in ther path.
And Yuri? Really? That annoying victim girl with complex of messiah?
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Pay Child Suport May 20, 2016 @ 8:40am 
Originally posted by Wyrtt:
And Yuri? Really? That annoying victim girl with complex of messiah?

But she IS a victim here.
Last edited by Pay Child Suport; May 20, 2016 @ 9:43am
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 9:34am 
Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:
Originally posted by Wyrtt:
That annoying victim girl with complex of messiah?

But she IS a victim here.
Only 50% of time she is a victim because of her own stupidity or messiah complex.
She exist in this story purely to annoy. If she just talked with people that would solve half of the problems.
Also nothing really stopped from rewriting peoples memory and order them to save her. Instead she preffered to wait for 9 years.
Only Doctor Tenkawa is a worse human than her in this story.
Pay Child Suport May 20, 2016 @ 9:45am 
Originally posted by Wyrtt:
Nagissa said herself. What is a common between all of her personalities? What allowed her to remain sain? Malice. In a basic concept Humans are wild animals with desire to eat, sleep, reproduce and destroy everything in ther path.

Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't reproduce.

Originally posted by Wyrtt:
Only 50% of time she is a victim because of her own stupidity or messiah complex.
She exist in this story purely to annoy. If she just talked with people that would solve half of the problems.
Also nothing really stopped from rewriting peoples memory and order them to save her. Instead she preffered to wait for 9 years.
Only Doctor Tenkawa is a worse human than her in this story.

You could have said the same thing to all the test subjects in Area N, not just Yuuri.
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 9:51am 
Nagisa was a weak somehow wrong in the head girl which turned mental after experiments.
Yui is a wrong example. She was born and raised there. Her whole world is he role. She almost lost her own will at some point.
Yuri on the other hand knew another life, She knew that sooner or later Labo will hurt Natsuhiko and other people. But she considered that her @noble@ sacrifice is good enough. Tenkawa trained her and showed how powerful Yuri is. But girl never ever tried to use her power to escape and destroy labo.
Pay Child Suport May 20, 2016 @ 9:58am 
Originally posted by Wyrtt:
Nagisa was a weak somehow wrong in the head girl which turned mental after experiments.
Yui is a wrong example. She was born and raised there. Her whole world is he role. She almost lost her own will at some point.
Yuri on the other hand knew another life, She knew that sooner or later Labo will hurt Natsuhiko and other people. But she considered that her @noble@ sacrifice is good enough. Tenkawa trained her and showed how powerful Yuri is. But girl never ever tried to use her power to escape and destroy labo.

Nagisa was weak are you serious? she was the one responsible for the first "Case N". That's not something a timid person would do. Yuuri simply was waiting for Mom to do something (probably another case N) about their escape if Watase didn't caused terrorism preemptively. Yui, well, Yui got sent free.

What were you really expecting out of the timid Yuuri anyway?
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:
Originally posted by Wyrtt:
Nagisa was a weak somehow wrong in the head girl which turned mental after experiments.
Yui is a wrong example. She was born and raised there. Her whole world is he role. She almost lost her own will at some point.
Yuri on the other hand knew another life, She knew that sooner or later Labo will hurt Natsuhiko and other people. But she considered that her @noble@ sacrifice is good enough. Tenkawa trained her and showed how powerful Yuri is. But girl never ever tried to use her power to escape and destroy labo.

Nagisa was weak are you serious? she was the one responsible for the first "Case N". That's not something a timid person would do. Yuuri simply was waiting for Mom to do something (probably another case N) about their escape if Watase didn't caused terrorism preemptively. Yui, well, Yui got sent free.

What were you really expecting out of the timid Yuuri anyway?
The ♥♥♥♥ she did with watase in A and Natsuhiko in B but before all gone to hell.
Even characters in the game called on Yuri ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and her making herself a super noble victim.
Anything useful for the story. She was just a plot device for route A and B. As a character she existed solely for people to feel sorry for her.
Pay Child Suport May 20, 2016 @ 11:39am 
The ♥♥♥♥ she did with watase in A

you mean running away from your assailant? and avoiding AD which is probably a poison to her?

and Natsuhiko in B but before all gone to hell.

Yuuri said it herself that Natsuhiko's impression of Mashiro and Yui is low, which is very fatal when they entered LABO. When she saw that, Yuuri fine-tuned him the same way he fine-tuned the 4 people infected by Nagisa.
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 11:57am 
Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:
The ♥♥♥♥ she did with watase in A

you mean running away from your assailant? and avoiding AD which is probably a poison to her?

and Natsuhiko in B but before all gone to hell.

Yuuri said it herself that Natsuhiko's impression of Mashiro and Yui is low, which is very fatal when they entered LABO. When she saw that, Yuuri fine-tuned him the same way he fine-tuned the 4 people infected by Nagisa.
few random screams is not what i would call avoiding. Also she could always just tell about ad.
And Ad is not a poison. She said that herself. It simply blocks BC from working for her.
So running away from prison and evil doctors is no no but running away from guy who just put you to sleep is ok?
She knew he is from q but decided to be silent. She knew about at least 1 other subject and decided to abandon her. When people found dead Nagisa Yuri again didnt warn people about possiable danger from her and not offered explanation about how people could kill each other because of Nagisa.
She knew Labo kills people and she still didnt warn anyone about Labo killing all survaivors just to erase any chance of info leak.
She sentenced all people trapped in Labo to death with her martyr seal.
She only stopped to act like spoiled ♥♥♥♥ on D route. Even B Natsuhiko could be handled better. Whole illusion and his broken mind happened because of her. She couldnt properly ask for help but at same time could properly help Natsuhiko and erase his memories. She just acted selfish and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing up.

Also I dont get why you wrote about Yuri reasons for B route. I know them. She could do the same for Watase in the A route. We know that Empathy happens in several seconds. Whole Thing about Watase running away is a lie. She would finish read his mindbefore he would even start thinking about that. And her bc range was amplified by 4000+ points in that area.

At least Natsuhiko stupid moves in A explained by him being fainted 90% of time and not really grasping on situation.
Pay Child Suport May 20, 2016 @ 12:07pm 
Also she could always just tell about ad.

she CAN'T. surprising eh? AD was believed to be an anti nuclear radiation when it fact it was anti BC all along.

She knew he is from q but decided to be silent.

She didn't wanted to bring more unnecessary conflict than they already have. I dont see a problem.

She knew about at least 1 other subject and decided to abandon her.

LABO's orders.

When people found dead Nagisa Yuri again didnt warn people about possiable danger from her and not offered explanation about how people could kill each other because of Nagisa.

top secret info, again. you know who to blame.

But more than anything she doesn't have the same mental fortitude as the two mains have. she succumbs pretty easily. easily frightened, and she doesn't know about Watase's memory erasure until Natsuhiko told her about it. LABO pretty much made Yuuri a "..." character in the smallest conflict.
Wyrtt May 20, 2016 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Tentacle Grape:
Also she could always just tell about ad.

she CAN'T. surprising eh? AD was believed to be an anti nuclear radiation when it fact it was anti BC all along.

She knew he is from q but decided to be silent.

She didn't wanted to bring more unnecessary conflict than they already have. I dont see a problem.

She knew about at least 1 other subject and decided to abandon her.

LABO's orders.

When people found dead Nagisa Yuri again didnt warn people about possiable danger from her and not offered explanation about how people could kill each other because of Nagisa.

top secret info, again. you know who to blame.

But more than anything she doesn't have the same mental fortitude as the two mains have. she succumbs pretty easily. easily frightened, and she doesn't know about Watase's memory erasure until Natsuhiko told her about it. LABO pretty much made Yuuri a "..." character in the smallest conflict.
1. Why? They would belive her after just 1 hour in this strange nuclear facility.
2. lol, what? Someone killed a lot of people and could kill even more. She knew that 1 guy is a terrorist and heis dangerous. How exactly bing silent in this situation can help? In any oyjer kind of story that would mean death for all chaaracters.
3. and why should she care about labo orders where chance to escape and tell the world about labo was right before her?
4. And why would she care about secrecy when Nagisa killed and would kill even more people including her? Thats a stupidity at this point.

Yes, She is stupid, selfish, irrational, cowardly, weak and dangerous for others with her destructive actions. Thats my point. If we forget about perfect vn world with happy endings Yuri would lead all characters to death and insanity in 5 out of 6 cases. Apart from Tenkawa she is the worst person in this VN.
kilicool64 May 20, 2016 @ 1:33pm 
Okay, this debate has gotten a bit messy, so rather than quoting each section individually and making this post really cluttered, I'm just going to address some of your claims here.


As far as I can tell, Yuuri had two reasons for not wanting to be injected with AD. Her main reason was that she didn't want her ability to use BC to be suppressed. She most likely wanted to use it in order to communicate with Natsuhiko, Mashiro and Salyu. She might have also considered having to attack Watase's mind in case he'd try to harm her again at some point. Neither of these would have been possible unless she was in an area with over 4000 mSv of WX particles. And the others were making sure she spent as little time as possible in those places.

Her second, albeit less important reason was that she didn't want AD to be wasted on her, given how little was available.

I don't recall any parts that mentioned AD being poisonous to her though.

And in order to convince the group to stop injecting her, she would've not only had to disclose top secret information that could potentially get everyone in trouble, but also would've had to reveal that she has S aptitude, which she might have feared could have made Watase remember who she really is.

This would also give her another reason for having repeatedly tried to run away from the group in addition to her fear of Watase. If successful, she could have gotten to an area with enough WX particles to suppress her AD and tried communicating with Natsuhiko's group from there. Even if she had failed to find such a place, the AD would have worn off after a while with nobody around to forcefully re-inject her.

Also, she didn't just fear Watase because he was a terrorist who had tried to kidnap her. After he'd knocked her unconscious, he'd abandoned her altogether, putting her into extreme danger as a result. She briefly hinted at this in Chapter 4 of Root A.


Oh, and Natsuhiko wasn't unconscious during 90% of Root A. He was indeed disconnected from Watase's mnd during almost the entirety of the first three chapters, but after that the WX particle density had risen to over 4000 mSv in the whole facility.
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