Unwanted VRC+ gifts cannot be declined

[BenieTheDragon]

I was with a friend and I had gotten a VRC+ gift from someone that wasn't even in the world with me (was a ghost gifter). I X'd it out as I don't want this, yet for some reason there's a hidden checkmark under that X, and I'm stuck with it for a month.
Why is such a system in place, that I can't turn it down? I can turn down a free gift in Steam, yet I can't for this? I just wanna know why this is OK.

Yes it "doesn't hurt anything".. except my reputation, as I don't support subscription based systems unless they feel worth it (to me). And to be gifted a 'free trial' that cannot be turned down, is just another way to troll people (and to be trolled by friends who don't believe you).
The system is just like Steam's game gifting. The gifter pays for the product and gifts it to you. You can turn it down, and the gifter gets their money back. ...Yet this can't happen with a VRC+ gift? Why, VRChat Team? Why?

This is what I just don't get. It has nothing to do with 'being nice' or 'the devs deserve the money', it's about a broken gifting system that needs to be addressed.

[Doranos]

The only thing you can do is probably put in your status that the VRC+ was a gift and you never asked for it or something like that.

[Tamaki8772]

Okay, I can understand the gifts being potentially "unwanted" in some cases. But I don't see why receiving such a gift would be considered a kind of "trolling"??? (Like what??) Considering how much more features that VRC+ now has, I would highly doubt that anyone would not wish to receive a 'free subscription' from someone as of this current time period. Although considering my current stance I have with buying gift drops for people, I do sort of wish that it would be possible to at least get *those* refunded if the gift was not used. Especially since I was originally planning on buying a larger bundle for a specific set of friends to give them to.

Although to answer your question, the reason why VRC+ gifts cannot be declined (from someone) or refunded (in general) is because VRC Team has never bothered to set up a system for that in the first place (and probably won't plan to do so anytime soon considering the sheer number of quintessential features that the service now has). They never exactly needed to because most people that buy, send & receive VRC+ subscriptions will usually do so knowing that it's non-refundable (and non-reversible). And going back to the whole "trolling" thing, I honestly would not view receiving a VRC+ gift as a form of that by any means, since it now a much more highly praised thing to get then it might have been before. Lol XD

[BenieTheDragon]

Originally posted by Tamaki8772:

Okay, I can understand the gifts being potentially "unwanted" in some cases. But I don't see why receiving such a gift would be considered a kind of "trolling"??? (Like what??) Considering how much more features that VRC+ now has, I would highly doubt that anyone would not wish to receive a 'free subscription' from someone as of this current time period. Although considering my current stance I have with buying gift drops for people, I do sort of wish that it would be possible to at least get *those* refunded if the gift was not used. Especially since I was originally planning on buying a larger bundle for a specific set of friends to give them to.

Although to answer your question, the reason why VRC+ gifts cannot be declined (from someone) or refunded (in general) is because VRC Team has never bothered to set up a system for that in the first place (and probably won't plan to do so anytime soon considering the sheer number of quintessential features that the service now has). They never exactly needed to because most people that buy, send & receive VRC+ subscriptions will usually do so knowing that it's non-refundable (and non-reversible). And going back to the whole "trolling" thing, I honestly would not view receiving a VRC+ gift as a form of that by any means, since it now a much more highly praised thing to get then it might have been before. Lol XD

Appreciate your honest opinion and can understand, but I've played VRChat off and on since 2018 and they've made a lot of questionable features and unwanted (un asked for) changes (like EAC). And a lot of these I will never forgive them for. Plus it feels they're developing these 'features' to eventually turn VRChat into a paywall. It's only a matter of time.
Also ask yourself: how long has it been since VRC+ came out, that they have no way to turn it down? Because they don't want to. If they truly cared about their playerbase (and not see them as living piggy banks they can take money from), they would. Because it 'gives them ammo' to make themselves look good infront of their shareholders. Even as a gift, all they have to say is "look how many have subscribed to us!!" It's called lying.
This is why I find gift sniping as a troll for people like myself that don't believe these 'claims' it's making their game better. They give me ZERO hope the money is actually going to server costs and stuff. Pretty sure it's going right into their pockets.

However, I still play this game, because of my friends. Infact, it's usually the only reason I play anymore. But I still don't like not being able to turn down a 'free' gift.
If the devs actually showed to the public where exactly their VRC+ money is going to (to pay for server maintenance/costs/etc...) you better believe I would contribute to this without question. But for 7 long years, they've been anti-transparent with their community, which gives me zero hope.

That's my opinion.

[Nanami]

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