More public lobby options/Host Moderation Powers

[Odium]

There's a 50/50 chance you might join a decent lobby/world, or a mess. There's a large population of children invading adult worlds, and while I don't visit those worlds, they also invade in droves onto game worlds. You might say "Make a private world" and I'd reply with, "And what friends am I going to invite?". I don't have many friends in VRchat, I try to meet others and I have a very low chance of meeting people like me, but the flood of children younger than probably 8 are super common during the day, and you'll still find young teens or kids still younger than 12 at 1 AM EST.

They gravitate towards game worlds, but they also join all social and avatar worlds that might even be slightly appealing to their age demographic. Not to mention you'll get rowdy adults, teens, and some really gross people all the time. The vote kick function is overly complicated, I don't know the specifics, but I also don't know why they don't just offer ban/kick functions, on top of being able to change the type of session, public to private, private to public. Maybe there's some issues on the technical side, but the function for kicking, or even banning should be easy.

I want to meet others, but I do not want to hang out with children, I want to selectively ban them from my world, especially if they're messing up game progress. The lobby system is also a bit buggy, you can't refresh lobby listings until you restart the game.

[Maneki_Neko]

its called vote kick, use it. its the basis of "self moderation" vrc uses, because they USED to let the instance creator of public worlds kick, this was abused so they moved to a vote system.

changing instance from private to public is a bad idea and will never happen, think through the issues with that.

[Odium]

By the time you vote kick, especially if there's more than two people to vote kick, things are already messed up. Instant kick function for the host is better. If a host kicking someone, regardless of the reason is abusing that power, I guess all host powers in every game is abusive, not sure if that's why they removed the ability to kick without a vote.

Instant fix for going from public to private, bring up a pop up telling them the host is switching, give a timer of like 30 seconds and let them say yes or no, saying no will return you to your home or make you join the next open lobby, saying yes allows you to stay. The host then can kick anyone before or after switching if anyone they don't want remains.

The alternative is that you get verified and try to vote kick people if you're the host, but if your group is a minority, and you can only vote kick one person at a time effectively, it's still an ineffective system against invading groups against a small group with the host. Other than that, they could just make a private server if they're a group, but what about solo hosts, if they need to move somewhere and made new friends, they need to friend and invite those people, or else they'd need to make a portal others could follow through, that whole process is tedious and takes time.

[Odium]

Btw, the host kicking a lot of people they don't like is the same as a host leaving to make a private or public server with their group following, leaving others basically abandoned, effectively what would happen if they allowed hosts to instant kick, just with extra steps.

[SleeprunnerInc]

There's no other option than to find a PC only world.
A lot of kids are on standalone quest so if you can find a PC only gameworld that might solve a lot of issues.
Selectively it would be nice if we could CHOOSE to host a PC only session or Quest only session etc.

[Odium]

That'd be nice.

[Marquis Kenny]

just block them lol

[Odium]

Block 5+ people who can interact with your friends and others you're hanging out with.

[Teefa]

Nable Dable の投稿を引用：

Block 5+ people who can interact with your friends and others you're hanging out with.

Giving an individual a choice to block others is preferable to the amount of trolling power a mod would have in public lobbies.

So... yes. Block 5 people. Your friends can do the same. It's not a big deal.

You and your friends can also just change instances.

Alternatively, report people for harassment. I have seen people get yeeted by moderation in real time. It's delicious.

[Odium]

So counter to that, if hosts can troll, people can make new instances like you suggested they do if people bother you. So rather than just having hosting moderation options, we get vote kick or you can just leave and make a new public or private lobby. The issue you and others don't seem to ever address is how annoying it is to meet new people, only to have the situation tainted by children and trolls, and unless you coordinate with your group, sometimes with more than 5 people to block one person, a group of people in the chaos of a situation, it is still clearly a chore and is idiotic in every way.

Here's an example. You're with a group of friends at another friend's home, but the owner of the home isn't there so you're hanging out with your friends with their permission. A group of people come in who disrupt the interaction and the only way to remove that group is to have your group vote and kick them by force, or you go to another friend's home. You can also call the police, but as you know they take time to come in and help (reporting/moderation) so again, if only that one trusted friend that was hosting the gathering could just kick people in an instant, or even ban them from that one single instance. People kicked or banned can go to others, or make their own instance, just as you and others suggest everyone do if there's any issues.

The sad thing is that there was a time where private worlds didn't outnumber public worlds, but with the flood of kids, I can see why that seems to be the case now. With less moderation power for hosts to kick kids, and for those who don't have groups to make private worlds with, it's not exactly a fair situation. I am really puzzled by why you and others think having the ability to kick and ban is trolling? If they're the host and you're kicked, go make another instance and don't cry, that's why the vast majority of social online games have kick functions if you make lobbies.

[Teefa]

If trolls could host and moderate, public worlds would become unjoinable. It would make every public world potentially unplayable. Hopping worlds ten times in a row to find one without a troll in charge sounds terrible. No thanks.

Just make a private world if you are really having that much trouble getting along with everyone.

[Odium]

TDPS の投稿を引用：

If trolls could host and moderate, public worlds would become unjoinable. It would make every public world potentially unplayable. Hopping worlds ten times in a row to find one without a troll in charge sounds terrible. No thanks.

Just make a private world if you are really having that much trouble getting along with everyone.

Make your own, kick trolls. Trolls already dominate most public worlds. Kicking me won't make me upset, messing with my public lobby and not being able to vote kick them will.

[Teefa]

Nable Dable の投稿を引用：

Make your own, kick trolls.

Giving someone like you the ability to control publics is exactly what I am arguing against.

Nable Dable の投稿を引用：

Trolls already dominate most public worlds.

Not really. You can always block trolls. Blocking doesn't ruin the world or make all worlds in general potentially unplayable. Just block and move on.

Nable Dable の投稿を引用：

messing with my public lobby and not being able to vote kick them will.

Here's the thing, it's not *your* public lobby. It belongs to the public. It's right in the name "public lobby."

Make a friends+ instance if you want that power. That gives everyone involved the chance to know that you are the one holding the controls.

[Odium]

So again, they have vote kick functions, for those who are trying to make friends and can't make private worlds there's still the same issue. You gotta turn off that broken record.

[Bahamut]

Vote kick rarely ever works, been playing this since 2017, and not once have I ever seen a vote kick actually work, it's a flawed system and vrc needs to do better.

[Odium]

Bahamut の投稿を引用：

Vote kick rarely ever works, been playing this since 2017, and not once have I ever seen a vote kick actually work, it's a flawed system and vrc needs to do better.

Exactly my observation as well.