why you shouldn't attempt to get "phantom sense"

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

Disclaimer: I have developed VR induced phantom sense before, this post's goal is harm
reduction and I do not intend any offense to people who have this.

The term "phantom sense" sucks, these are actually tactile hallucinations. It required 3 full months of 3-12 hour daily pavlov sessions while I was 16 with a developing brain to get it. They aren't very good and require immense time syncs to get it. Why? Because you're inducing psychosis. Your brain is molding itself for VR and not reality.

This phenomena was originally considered a nerve damage symptom typically from amputations, especially "phantom pain" where the brain is attempting to merge the reality of a lost limb and all of the nerves that went to it still being there. I have not had phantom pain because it's really hard to induce with VR. I really do hope this can't be induced by VR and hope the people who "have it" are lying. Hopefully, they're just too lost in their VR fantasy land that they now treat unwanted virtual contact as a threat akin to assault. You should hope for this to because the situation that it's real is 1000x worse.

The capacity for a brain to be fed partial sensory information for long enough that it fully simulates tactile touch where it's indistinguishable with real pain is absolutely terrifying. If this is real what would it do to a developing mind, like genuinely. Imagine a 5 year old spends that long in VR until they're 25 what's their brain going to look like. What hallucinations occur past phantom pain? My guess is that instead of the brain filling VR with reality it starts filling reality with VR. To the point where they completely lose distinction between them, yes the headset phsyically has to be on but their brain is having full hallucinations trying to homogenize all it's experiences into one concrete reality. Now imagine when every finger gets simulated, you're walking on a treadmill, theres no screen door affect on the display and you've got a haptic suit on. What's the extent to this? Do you wanna be the test subject? My recommendation is to just stop playing when you develop it. It goes away.

TLDR: If anything causes you to have vivid life like hallucinations you have psychosis and it's not actually desirable.

[Mittens]

you're way over-analysing this. i don't have phantom sense but i'd compare it more to flinching when someone in a movie or video is hurt. if something is convincing enough to someone, that's not psychosis. if someone put a cardboard box on their head and was in a 100% full belief that they were playing VR, that's psychosis.

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

These people do not report flinches they report actual pain.

[Mittens]

and you're taking their word at face value

[RaTcHeT302]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

These people do not report flinches they report actual pain.

P-PAIN??

WOULD YOU SAY... ITS A... PHANTOM PAIN??????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7v0lQwDLIY

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

Originally posted by Mittens:

and you're taking their word at face value

Flinching isn't a hallucination the real equivalent is if the person was hallucinating events in the movie, like pain or whatever. And again what's the end line? These hallucinations are what cause paranoia and delusions, they should be avoided. I see TONS of people in VRC actively try to hallucinate while in VR.

[RaTcHeT302]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

paranoia and delusions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4u07DuIKY

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

If this was seen in anything else you'd be calling it psychotic too. Imagine if movie fans had a practive of binging them for hours week after week to induce hallucinations so they can be more immersed in the movie.

[RaTcHeT302]

im just goofing around i dont really care about what im posting at all xD

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

not talking to you lmfao look at who i replied to

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

Originally posted by Mittens:

and you're taking their word at face value

Flinching isn't a hallucination the real equivalent is if the person was hallucinating events in the movie, like pain or whatever. And again what's the end line? These hallucinations are what cause paranoia and delusions, they should be avoided. I see TONS of people in VRC actively try to hallucinate while in VR.

you're still believing every word they say. instead of just thinking "ahh they're making it up", you're pretending to be a medical professional, diagnosing them with mental disabilities. seems like you've forgot that some people can lie about things to look interesting

[RaTcHeT302]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

not talking to you lmfao look at who i replied to

https://c.tenor.com/AY0QYWnm4jgAAAAd/tenor.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nop4Jepkj4E

[Stage 4 malignant brain tumor]

i have taken college medical psychology courses but really that doesn't matter and it's more common sense

also when did I diagnose anything? saying hallucinations can cause psychosis isn't a diagnosis....

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

i have taken college medical psychology courses but really that doesn't matter and it's more common sense

also when did I diagnose anything? saying hallucinations can cause psychosis isn't a diagnosis....

and i'm an astronaut

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Stage 4 malignant brain tumor:

why you shouldn't attempt to get "phantom sense"

Disclaimer: I have developed VR induced phantom sense before, this post's goal is harm
reduction and I do not intend any offense to people who have this.

The term "phantom sense" sucks, these are actually tactile hallucinations. It required 3 full months of 3-12 hour daily pavlov sessions while I was 16 with a developing brain to get it. They aren't very good and require immense time syncs to get it. Why? Because you're inducing psychosis. Your brain is molding itself for VR and not reality.

This phenomena was originally considered a nerve damage symptom typically from amputations, especially "phantom pain" where the brain is attempting to merge the reality of a lost limb and all of the nerves that went to it still being there. I have not had phantom pain because it's really hard to induce with VR. I really do hope this can't be induced by VR and hope the people who "have it" are lying. Hopefully, they're just too lost in their VR fantasy land that they now treat unwanted virtual contact as a threat akin to assault. You should hope for this to because the situation that it's real is 1000x worse.

The capacity for a brain to be fed partial sensory information for long enough that it fully simulates tactile touch where it's indistinguishable with real pain is absolutely terrifying. If this is real what would it do to a developing mind, like genuinely. Imagine a 5 year old spends that long in VR until they're 25 what's their brain going to look like. What hallucinations occur past phantom pain? My guess is that instead of the brain filling VR with reality it starts filling reality with VR. To the point where they completely lose distinction between them, yes the headset phsyically has to be on but their brain is having full hallucinations trying to homogenize all it's experiences into one concrete reality. Now imagine when every finger gets simulated, you're walking on a treadmill, theres no screen door affect on the display and you've got a haptic suit on. What's the extent to this? Do you wanna be the test subject? My recommendation is to just stop playing when you develop it. It goes away.

TLDR: If anything causes you to have vivid life like hallucinations you have psychosis and it's not actually desirable.

Again for the ones in the back row

Is "phantom pain / sense" a thing? Yes, diagnosed as an actual thing

Is "I've had "classes" on how to get / or have gotten by playing VR a "phantom pain / sense" a thing? No, it's a TikTok fad

Don't diminish actual patients of lost limbs do to war or factory accident by lumping in the kids who want attention or want to get out of life's chores

One is real and one is fake

[N.GinWorks]

Its all going back to brain stimulation. If something was so convincing it felt real, the brain will hard wire us to react to it in sometimes exaggerated manner such as people who has severe fear of spider or slithering snake, even if its just still image in cartoony format. Brain do be like that.

What you should be worry is if you felt numb from any emotion to the point you are not reacting almost to anything around you even when exposed to any extreme level of visual. Now that's real psycho in the making right there.

Anyway its not very smart to try getting a disease because it seems to make you cooler. Disease is a hassle to both you and people around you. Don't ever attempt that, anime might make some sick people look cool and cute but you're not cute and cool in the first place and never will, so don't bother.