AGE VERIFICATION: How It Should Be

[76561199799672280]

Before anything I will say that VRChat should be a 13+ game and should not have any NSFW or "Adult" content.

Because VRChat Staff seem to not be able to handle the situation of people doing inappropriate things with others including minors OR are too lazy to moderate their platform properly they have chosen to adopt an "AGE VERIFICATION".

Is the Above Claim true? Probably. Unless "Age Verification" solves an issue or prevents an issue then it's useless and another ploy to allow VRChat to say "We did everything possible" to avoid legal/financial consequences.

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So how can "Age Verification" HELP VRChat AND be done right? Here is a short list with details:

Being Honest About Content - Keep 18+ Content For 18+ Individuals ONLY: Lets say I want to play Chess and I find out the whole world is 18+. Nah that isn't right and shouldn't be allowed to make a clearly 13+ acceptable area into an 18+ one... But if people want to go and do "Adult Things" in the Chess World with each other or the chess pieces then the instance owner should make the instance 18+, If the world is obviously 18+ in nature then it should be 18+ by default. Players should not be banned simply for being under 18 if the content of the world is 13+ appropriate. Start applying this to groups too.... Take a ook at someones groups today... NASTY!

Hold STRICT "No-Tolerance" for worlds/instances that are not 18+ - Put out PERM BANS along with hardware and IP banning on players who can't behave. AS far as 18+ worlds? Well in my opinion I am thinking the RED label applied to 18+ tags just means WARNING THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH CRIMINALS who don't know how to behave around children - at least in our current game which is 13+... Obviously VRChat Staff is most likely going to allow whatever to happen in 18+ worlds (but they should moderate them).

Hold Criminals Accountable - If players are doing thing that are rated 18+ in distance of 13+ areas they can be held criminally liable (maybe start arresting those trolls/people who go to "playspace" and play NSFW videos in front of minors for example).. But gee we don't have their information... oh wait... ID gets sent to the police in the correct jurisdiction with all relevant information of any crime (Yeah the "keep your information" thing NEEDS to happen and not be a "delete your information after verification"). I would go as far as to say that all people should present their ID -if allowed by law- and have it on file as well as make it EASY for players to anonymously report any illegal actions to the actual legal jurisdiction where any criminal resides (The part of the TOS where VRChat staff state they are not required to moderate their platform, fix issues, and can terminate their platform at any time is lame).

Dating And Like Minded People - There is not an issue talking and being friends with minors on VRChat but if you want to find people who are 18+ especially with dating or NSFW actions then having 18+ is definitely a good thing. Dating is probably one of the big ones in terms of 18+ content but cussing and talk of drugs, alcohol, etc should also be age restricted. I would like 13+ worlds to be more heavily monitored to prevent 18+ content as keeping kids safe is a very important and can help lead them down a better path (most of yall "18+" people are freaky and need to stop).

Acting 18+ Anyways - If I was VRChat I would just give out bans to probably over 50 percent of the community that can't behave in a 13+ game but since they know people will act however anyways a good thing they can do is make "Age Verification" and moderate the 13+ areas more heavily. A "They are going to do this anyways so lets jsut allow it" mentality is wrong but VRChat Staff wants $$$ and most people can't behave even if their life depended on it so this is how they are doing things

BUTTTTTT lets face it VRChat Staff is most likely just catering to the NSFW creeps who want do what they want, when they want, how they want, where they want, to whoever they want with no accountability, that are beyond redemption, think their own personal opinion is the word of god, that they are god, and that anyone under 18 should be banned just because they want a deviant community... And VRC Staff just want money so let's make age verification for VRC+

The "Age Verifiaction" Could be pretty good but I don't think it will do much except make people hate kids for no other reason than that they can't "keep it in their pants".

[Mittens]

Jesse a écrit :

Mittens a écrit :

it seems you've got this idea that "adult spaces" are inherently sexual, rather than just being places where kids aren't wanted. if i want to chill with some friends and have a drink or something, why would i want some random teenager there? would you let that happen IRL? of course you wouldn't

13+ minecraft worlds and stuff like that have no reason to be 18 +, if you dont want kids to be in a world with you, Than block them or make your own sever and invite your friends.

nobody is trying to make minecraft worlds 18+ dude...

[SkyWolf]

I know someone who constantly records his gameplay, violating ToS and forcing minors to ERP with him and he is 35 years old, he has 7 victims that are between 15-17. and there are kids getting their parents to verify their accounts. there is no safe way to keep the kids out of 18+ groups at all

[Knee]

I'VE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE a écrit :

People like you also call adults who do evil things "children" as well. Maybe you ought to educate yourself, use critical thinking skills, and not make baseless accusations ust because you have a vendetta against a certain group?

I'VE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE a écrit :

BUTTTTTT lets face it VRChat Staff is most likely just catering to the NSFW creeps who want do what they want, when they want, how they want, where they want, to whoever they want with no accountability, that are beyond redemption

holy irony batman

[JJWithNoSauce]

Roblox is down the hall and to the left.

[N.GinWorks]

"VRC Is a place to be for everyone to have fun"

- Says Literally No One

[Jesse]

JJWithNoSauce a écrit :

Roblox is down the hall and to the left.

I'm not being rude, But are you one of those people who think just because they turned 18 yesterday they are this really mature adult who knows everything about life?
Whats the point of being rude in the comments?

[MFDOOMBOT]

"Before anything I will say that VRChat should be a 13+ game and should not have any NSFW or "Adult" content."

♥♥♥♥ that, Before they allowed "the Quest" support kids were rare, now they are all over the place, this "game" should be 21+ Not 13+, there is Roblox for that.

Tho they do need to add Age Verification for free and not with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ paywall, Age Verification with ID is the only reason I came back after having Kids calling others Hard-R and other racist ♥♥♥♥, Get these kids out of here.

[Darkmaster]

MFDOOMBOT a écrit :

"Before anything I will say that VRChat should be a 13+ game and should not have any NSFW or "Adult" content."

♥♥♥♥ that, Before they allowed "the Quest" support kids were rare, now they are all over the place, this "game" should be 21+ Not 13+, there is Roblox for that.

Tho they do need to add Age Verification for free and not with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ paywall, Age Verification with ID is the only reason I came back after having Kids calling others Hard-R and other racist ♥♥♥♥, Get these kids out of here.

Preach!

[JFF]

I'VE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE a écrit :

piey a écrit :

13+ children shouldnt be on vrchat or any social platform similar to vrchat, what kinda argument is this?

Games 13+

Cat Luv a écrit :

A minor created this thread, clearly. Salt much. Turn 18 and try again.

I'm over twice the age, have 7 years and about 10,000 hours of experience on VRChat, and actually read the TOS.

People like you also call adults who do evil things "children" as well. Maybe you ought to educate yourself, use critical thinking skills, and not make baseless accusations ust because you have a vendetta against a certain group?

Darkmaster a écrit :

No! Keep it the way it is! age verification is enough case closed! I have a age verified profile, now fix all that -------------------> that you have from within!

Ignorant reply, please educate yourself.

RE:Deemer a écrit :

^

Ignorant reply, please educate yourself and learn to put in actual effort in a response.

Mittens a écrit :

it seems you've got this idea that "adult spaces" are inherently sexual, rather than just being places where kids aren't wanted. if i want to chill with some friends and have a drink or something, why would i want some random teenager there? would you let that happen IRL? of course you wouldn't

"Adult Spaces" shouldn't be in a 13+ game when it means the adults want to purge the children just for existing and "getting in the way", that is the definition of selfish.

I wouldn't be drinking alcohol, getting high or doing dumb stuff that makes a fool of the word "adult" because no decent human should be doing foolish things like that.

Stygian Ikazuchi a écrit :

Ok so first off, you make a lot of really bad assumptions. For one, how exactly do you expect them to moderate when a major problem is people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about creeps instead of *REPORTING THEM*. Second, not wanting kids to be around you doesn't mean you want to have cyber orgies all the time. Or do you think kids should be allowed to hang out with drunk or high adults? And also a big middle finger to your baseless accusation of anyone being 18+ being "a criminal". And on the "keep ID information so people can easy to report to local authorities" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Yeah no, you're an idiot. That would IMMEDIATELY get used against the LGBT community because a bunch of psychos can't accept they exist and want them gone from existence. Trans people are literally in the middle of having their rights stripped away. Furries have been accused of zoophilia as a blanket statement since the 80s. Gay people STILL get harassed for merely existing. Not to mention the fact that if all of the information from photo IDs is kept on the servers and the servers are hacked, literally every age-verified user now is at severe risk of identity fraud. All your ideas would do is put them in serious irl danger (did you forget SWATTING is literally a thing people do?) because YOU misunderstand what 18+ means and ignore the importance of cybersecurity.

Also it's clearly stated that Age Verification is in early access. Dunno if you realize this but it's pretty common practice to give early access of a feature to accounts holding subscriptions for a service before opening it to the general public.

VRChat staff will take action of about 75 percent of written report with viable proof that is send via their help page... Reporting in game is revoked for visitor and new user players with no obvious redirection to their help/report page. Do you think that limiting people's ability to report helps?

Also in game reporting leads to maybe a 5 percent chance of action being taken against an offensive account/content.

Most players refuse to block people and seem to secretly love the attention... Even so the problem is so prevalent that if you took the time to report every single person who was being vile you would spend your whole playthrough on the report page (I've blocked literally thousands of people and reported maybe a couple hundred)

"High and Drunk" adults don't belong in society or a 13+ game with children in it. If you lack accountability in that field you probably lacks accountability in may other areas, potentially legally as well... FYI doing drugs and causing the degeneracy of a child would technically be criminal behavior btw.

Funny you'd rather send your ID to a random person on discord or state your DOB to a whole lobby to get into a world as of the current game (which breaks the current TOS btw)

Most people on VRChat seem to not be able to conduct themselves in a good manner and many break the law and do illegal things. Those who do should be held accountable legally.

If you're choosing to provide your ID to a company you ought to assume your information is out there... But honestly nobody cares about you or these other people including actual criminals (otherwise action would be taken against you)

Untimely at some point these people who lose their right and freedoms due to their lack of self accountability and lack of doing the right thing/following rules are the ones who did it to themselves.

Being in Early Access and "pay us for the usage of this" don't have to go hand in hand, and they shouldn't... They clearly used that as a way to get some people to buy subscriptions. This is True.

Speaking of people breaking TOS, I'd advise you reading it once again, especially regarding who's allowed to play VRchat.
This is a section from the official Community guidelines:

In order to use VRChat or VRChat-provided services, you must be 13 years of age or older.

If you are between the ages of 13 and 17, you must get permission from your parent or guardian before using VRChat.

I guarantee that 95% of people below 18 never ask for permission, let alone their parents know what the game is even about.

Interesting that after spending over 7 years on VRC still you don't realize VRchat needs some kind of regulation and restrictions when it comes to adults and minors communities, because of the game's nature from it's very early days.

Almost every adult I spoke to is very happy about age verification, as it creates more chill and safe environment for them. I don't understand why you believe that in a social video game as an adult you shouldn't have an option to join adult spaces. Even if it's not NSFW related content, some people just prefer interacting with other adults and there's nothing wrong with that, just because the game is also PG13 doesn't mean you should be restricted from doing joining adult only instances.

Regarding the age verification being behind a paywall during it's early access, there's a reason for that, since a 3rd party company is handling the verification part, and I don't think it needs a further explanation, since it costs a lot of money and resources to implement such complex service. Currently everything is being tested and it's purely optional if you want to contribute to the development and age verify. Majority of changes and content gating will take place, once age verification goes live for everyone, so you don't have to worry that you're missing out, as age verified instances are still very rare.

In the end this is an attempt to make more safe environment for people, which will never be perfect, but it's definitely step in the right direction.

[76561199799672280]

JFF a écrit :

I'VE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE a écrit :

Games 13+





I'm over twice the age, have 7 years and about 10,000 hours of experience on VRChat, and actually read the TOS.

People like you also call adults who do evil things "children" as well. Maybe you ought to educate yourself, use critical thinking skills, and not make baseless accusations ust because you have a vendetta against a certain group?





Ignorant reply, please educate yourself.



Ignorant reply, please educate yourself and learn to put in actual effort in a response.





"Adult Spaces" shouldn't be in a 13+ game when it means the adults want to purge the children just for existing and "getting in the way", that is the definition of selfish.

I wouldn't be drinking alcohol, getting high or doing dumb stuff that makes a fool of the word "adult" because no decent human should be doing foolish things like that.





VRChat staff will take action of about 75 percent of written report with viable proof that is send via their help page... Reporting in game is revoked for visitor and new user players with no obvious redirection to their help/report page. Do you think that limiting people's ability to report helps?

Also in game reporting leads to maybe a 5 percent chance of action being taken against an offensive account/content.

Most players refuse to block people and seem to secretly love the attention... Even so the problem is so prevalent that if you took the time to report every single person who was being vile you would spend your whole playthrough on the report page (I've blocked literally thousands of people and reported maybe a couple hundred)

"High and Drunk" adults don't belong in society or a 13+ game with children in it. If you lack accountability in that field you probably lacks accountability in may other areas, potentially legally as well... FYI doing drugs and causing the degeneracy of a child would technically be criminal behavior btw.

Funny you'd rather send your ID to a random person on discord or state your DOB to a whole lobby to get into a world as of the current game (which breaks the current TOS btw)

Most people on VRChat seem to not be able to conduct themselves in a good manner and many break the law and do illegal things. Those who do should be held accountable legally.

If you're choosing to provide your ID to a company you ought to assume your information is out there... But honestly nobody cares about you or these other people including actual criminals (otherwise action would be taken against you)

Untimely at some point these people who lose their right and freedoms due to their lack of self accountability and lack of doing the right thing/following rules are the ones who did it to themselves.

Being in Early Access and "pay us for the usage of this" don't have to go hand in hand, and they shouldn't... They clearly used that as a way to get some people to buy subscriptions. This is True.

Speaking of people breaking TOS, I'd advise you reading it once again, especially regarding who's allowed to play VRchat.
This is a section from the official Community guidelines:

In order to use VRChat or VRChat-provided services, you must be 13 years of age or older.

If you are between the ages of 13 and 17, you must get permission from your parent or guardian before using VRChat.

I guarantee that 95% of people below 18 never ask for permission, let alone their parents know what the game is even about.

Interesting that after spending over 7 years on VRC still you don't realize VRchat needs some kind of regulation and restrictions when it comes to adults and minors communities, because of the game's nature from it's very early days.

Almost every adult I spoke to is very happy about age verification, as it creates more chill and safe environment for them. I don't understand why you believe that in a social video game as an adult you shouldn't have an option to join adult spaces. Even if it's not NSFW related content, some people just prefer interacting with other adults and there's nothing wrong with that, just because the game is also PG13 doesn't mean you should be restricted from doing joining adult only instances.

Regarding the age verification being behind a paywall during it's early access, there's a reason for that, since a 3rd party company is handling the verification part, and I don't think it needs a further explanation, since it costs a lot of money and resources to implement such complex service. Currently everything is being tested and it's purely optional if you want to contribute to the development and age verify. Majority of changes and content gating will take place, once age verification goes live for everyone, so you don't have to worry that you're missing out, as age verified instances are still very rare.

In the end this is an attempt to make more safe environment for people, which will never be perfect, but it's definitely step in the right direction.

Your "Guarantee" is your personal opinion and has no legal bearing. Your claim would be thrown out and laughed at in any legal jurisdiction because you lack to proof on an individual basis to affirm your claim... That goes for VRChat as well. Unless you have physically been there to witness the child not getting the parents permission, then you have no proof and you pulled that 95 percent out of your booty hole.

I've already stated several times that VRChat needs a no tolerance policy for content that is not appropriate for a 13+ crowd and that ABSOLUTELY NO 18+ content should be allowed on VRChat... Subjective content should be scrutinized and advised on a legal basis with policy skewing on advocacy and protection of minors on the platform. Because VRChat is choosing to go the 18+ route it should take considerable actions to protect minors (Which it really isn't and I don't foresee it doing so in the future. VRChat Staff is going for the words "We took all actions to prevent any issues from arising but..." blah blah blah). Point Being: No Adult Content Should Be Allowed On A 13+ Platform.

IF VRchat is going to go and allow 18+ content either way then I am happy for Age Verification, BUT I would rather NO NSFW/18+ content be allowed at all on the platform. THAT is what would keep people safe... I personally am nearly 40 years old and I don't want drinking, drugs, adult talk, and adult bodyparts/actions in my experience... People who want their own "fun" at the expense of the safety of a child are the problem.

I'm all for age gating when it is appropriate... I do not feel that enough will be done to protect minors from 1. NOT being subjected to 18+/Bad Content and 2. Being protected from false barment for content that is clearly 13+ acceptable content.... I am highly concerned on both of those fronts and don't feel that VRChat staff will take actions that are appropriate. (1 and 2 expanded below)

1. As far as adults being able to have a group instance for adults only. Sure... Fair. 18+/NSFW still should be allowed, but if VRChat Staff make it allowable then Age Verification is a good thing... People who are not using the correct 18+ "tags" should be perm banned.

2. Minors should be able to have a safe and fun time on VRChat. By default the game should be monitored and made safe for players 13-17 - well it should be safe for everyone - and that would include being able to safely go to worlds that are 13+. If there is a world that is clearly safe for 13+ it should not be allowed to be made 18+ as a default.

The VRC+ for paid members only is still a money grab. Nothing you said refutes that.

If done right Age Gating could be a great step.... But it most likely won't be done with care or careful precision to make the game fair and safe for the community.

[Glimmer]

Empty steam profile, not even a username set at the time of writing this thread.

If you want your words trusted, you should probably not use a throwaway account for it...

(I'm not trying to attack or insult you, but it's just that with a throwaway account, a lot of people will think you're trolling or trying to start drama)

[76561199799672280]

Glimmer a écrit :

Empty steam profile, not even a username set at the time of writing this thread.

If you want your words trusted, you should probably not use a throwaway account for it...

(I'm not trying to attack or insult you, but it's just that with a throwaway account, a lot of people will think you're trolling or trying to start drama)

I have a username actually.... Not my fault if you're too inept to find out what it is.

I'm also not required to buy anything or make a steam profile at your request.

How about you NOT be a completely ignorant moron? Maybe use critical thinking skills and an analytical mind instead of posting such an ignorant reply.

The legitimacy of a post isn't based on how well you like the aesthetic of my profile or if you "trust" me based on those aesthetics.

If you want to reply how about you address the topic or risk looking like a fool you can only talk about my lack of paying money on steam?

People like you are the problem.

(Must be an alt or someone who thinks it's clever not try to devalue a conversation by talking about how much money or effort someone put into a steam profile... Not interested in spending hundreds to get level 143 on steam)

[Fr#cklef@ce'd Sw@GLoRd 💸🌈]

"sex bad!!!!!!!!1" the thread. go play farmville or something virginal and sterile instead. P.S. teens have been having sex since the dawn of time, that's just a biological fact of life, in fact, the "virgin" mary was thought to have been a teenager, and as we know, based on biological truth, she was DEFINITELY not a virgin, yet birthed one of the most important figures in the history of mankind. deviance will prevail, cry about it snowflake

[N.GinWorks]

Back then you rant about people not following your example and demand them to be banned. And now this? Thought you turn up new leaf after changing name...

Kitsune

[Bahamut]

I'VE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE a écrit :

Glimmer a écrit :

Empty steam profile, not even a username set at the time of writing this thread.

If you want your words trusted, you should probably not use a throwaway account for it...

(I'm not trying to attack or insult you, but it's just that with a throwaway account, a lot of people will think you're trolling or trying to start drama)

I have a username actually.... Not my fault if you're too inept to find out what it is.

I'm also not required to buy anything or make a steam profile at your request.

How about you NOT be a completely ignorant moron? Maybe use critical thinking skills and an analytical mind instead of posting such an ignorant reply.

The legitimacy of a post isn't based on how well you like the aesthetic of my profile or if you "trust" me based on those aesthetics.

If you want to reply how about you address the topic or risk looking like a fool you can only talk about my lack of paying money on steam?

People like you are the problem.

(Must be an alt or someone who thinks it's clever not try to devalue a conversation by talking about how much money or effort someone put into a steam profile... Not interested in spending hundreds to get level 143 on steam)

You type like some cringe "I am very badass" teenager, maybe take a break and hold back on the vitriol if you want people to take you seriously.