you people have 0 right to complain about eac

[[]]

for how long have we been told modded clients broke the rules? it was only a matter of time before they had to do something to stop it so grab a tissue and stop complaining because the change finally happened.

maybe try talking like adults with the devs so you arent put on mute, or shut it and go play neos/chillout (if you like running into the same 300+ players like its yer old school days) heh

[Plague]

haha mixed reviews go brr

[Yukitaka Oni]

people in AVA game still complain about how easy to bypass Easy Anti Cheat. I'm not sure VRchat could offer a better service at this point against cheater...

[witherblaze]

You do realize that some of the mods used were to help the disabled players play the game, right?

[uye]

Oprindeligt skrevet af witherblaze:

You do realize that some of the mods used were to help the disabled players play the game, right?

he's probably heard that argument at least five times by now, considering it seems to be the most common defense of mods

[Shock Inazuma | Super Silly!!!!!]

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

Oprindeligt skrevet af IcyWings, the Bane of Denuvo:

No, because you defend corporate bad decisions

i've hated vrchat before and after EAC, the update didn't change my opinion, you're just some ♥♥♥♥ who thinks he's better cause he dickrides CVR

So wait, if you hate VRChat... why are you defending it over CVR? This legit makes zero sense. And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat, even if you don't directly state you are. Actions do speak louder than words, after all.

[uye]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShockDragon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

i've hated vrchat before and after EAC, the update didn't change my opinion, you're just some ♥♥♥♥ who thinks he's better cause he dickrides CVR

So wait, if you hate VRChat... why are you defending it over CVR? This legit makes zero sense. And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat, even if you don't directly state you are. Actions do speak louder than words, after all.

why are you asking me why i am to begin with, if you're then going to say "And if you say you aren't, I know you are." seems like you already made up your mind

i'm not, i just think dickriding is annoying, and while i do hate VRChat, i still play it for the amusement of how chaotic it is

[Shock Inazuma | Super Silly!!!!!]

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShockDragon:

So wait, if you hate VRChat... why are you defending it over CVR? This legit makes zero sense. And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat, even if you don't directly state you are. Actions do speak louder than words, after all.

why are you asking me why i am to begin with, if you're then going to say "And if you say you aren't, I know you are." seems like you already made up your mind

i'm not, i just think dickriding is annoying, and while i do hate VRChat, i still play it for the amusement of how chaotic it is

(Who said I made up my mind?) I mean, that's fair, but it does kinda make you come off as the very thing you think is annoying, no offence.

[uye]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShockDragon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

why are you asking me why i am to begin with, if you're then going to say "And if you say you aren't, I know you are." seems like you already made up your mind

i'm not, i just think dickriding is annoying, and while i do hate VRChat, i still play it for the amusement of how chaotic it is

(Who said I made up my mind?) I mean, that's fair, but it does kinda make you come off as the very thing you think is annoying, no offence.

"And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat"

that's what i meant by you making up your mind

[Mellowdy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hotwire:

Oprindeligt skrevet af SamWhitetail:

As Americans we do have the RIGHT to complain, not sure what freedom of speech is for other countries. If you don't like it you can move on. Let people who want to complain you don't have to say anything but that is also a right, to be able to say things like this, but again, you don't HAVE TO. My issue with EAC is it's terrible for a anti cheat and easily worked around. My issue with VRC is ignoring it community. I agree the aggressive ones did wrong but ignoring and blocking petitions... that's wrong too. There's plenty of features that we requested that is commonly desired. Back when they first said hey we don't like you using mods but we are willingly to work WITH the mod makers, they didn't. It's the lies and ignoring it's commmunity that I have an issue with. Banning the words ChilloutVR was dumb, they can't hate on something because people like it. Yes people need to stop abusing it but also VRC needs to act like adults and work with people that want to try.

the moment you mentioned "as an american" and "we" do have the "right" is where you lost me
no need to be self centered and thinking the world revolves around the laughing stock that is America and it's bad opinions and deluded people

And I have said in the past, VRC team has gotten away with even dumber things than this but this takes the cake

of all the other terrible decisions they've made, deciding to cry about this one because muh privacy and eac bad is a bit stupid

If you've really played VRC for years you'd know the VRC dev team will not rollback nor listen to their community period, so yes you DO have the right to run your mouth

And to be an idiot while doing so like the thousand or so that do to no avail

Because at the end of the day nothing will change and VRC still has a monopoly as a VR social platform so they will keep abusing their community and people will complain all they want and still play the game anyways :spycon:

I said america because I don't know the rights of every single country in the world.

[Blue]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sol87:

Modders are generally the more hardcore and tech savvy players, putting enforcement on those particular populations of players may not be the best idea, especially in a game that relys largely on those populations to create the actual content for their game. Aside from mods EAC is a very controversial anti-cheat on its own, they probably should have gotten feedback from their community about a possible controversial change.

But it is their game they can do what they want, and the players can do what they want, if somethings changed they dont like and are unhappy with the state of the game, leave a negative review, if you enjoy the current state of the game leave a positive review. Its that simple.

"Free" games need player counts and good reviews to keep investors happy and the money flowing in.

Steamcharts shows 5-7 thousand less players during both peaks and lows over the last month since the update.
https://steamcharts.com/app/438100#3m

I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to understand that:

IF it wasn't for malicious mods and tools breaking other players experiences and compromising privacy in one shape or another - there wouldn't bee a need for EAC.

EAC isn't added to prevent you from having a join notifier or a Mirror mod (or other, client side - non malicious mods).

It's to prevent, and i stress, "Those whom it may concern" from harming other players and their experiences.

If you are a person who sits in a Private world with your homies, safe, good for you. That isn't everyone. I've been in many worlds where someone will join and crash the entire room "Just because" or bother/rip/steal/manipulate other peoples models.

People use vacuum arguments all the time "I dont do bad things" I believe you. But there are those who do. And those caused a Application wide penalty system AKA EAC to occur.

VRC said they didnt want you to mod in the first place, this is dumb.

But the action to punish those with malicious intent at the cost of those who do no harm? Yeah I'm ok with that.

[Shock Inazuma | Super Silly!!!!!]

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShockDragon:

(Who said I made up my mind?) I mean, that's fair, but it does kinda make you come off as the very thing you think is annoying, no offence.

"And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat"

that's what i meant by you making up your mind

Because... it technically is? I mean, what else would you call it?

[uye]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShockDragon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af s:

"And sure, you may not think it's defending, but I know defending when I see it, and this is defending VRChat"

that's what i meant by you making up your mind

Because... it technically is? I mean, what else would you call it?

but there's my point, you've made up your mind that i am inherently defending VRChat, even if i say i'm not, which i'm not, i just don't like people who dickride a game

[This Username Was Taken]

If the devs cared they would have worked to make the game better with mods instead of outright getting rid of them all and giving a vague promise of future developments. I understand the program is free but to alienate their userbase by getting rid of all mods is poor.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Himari:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sol87:

Modders are generally the more hardcore and tech savvy players, putting enforcement on those particular populations of players may not be the best idea, especially in a game that relys largely on those populations to create the actual content for their game. Aside from mods EAC is a very controversial anti-cheat on its own, they probably should have gotten feedback from their community about a possible controversial change.

But it is their game they can do what they want, and the players can do what they want, if somethings changed they dont like and are unhappy with the state of the game, leave a negative review, if you enjoy the current state of the game leave a positive review. Its that simple.

"Free" games need player counts and good reviews to keep investors happy and the money flowing in.

Steamcharts shows 5-7 thousand less players during both peaks and lows over the last month since the update.
https://steamcharts.com/app/438100#3m

I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to understand that:

IF it wasn't for malicious mods and tools breaking other players experiences and compromising privacy in one shape or another - there wouldn't bee a need for EAC.

EAC isn't added to prevent you from having a join notifier or a Mirror mod (or other, client side - non malicious mods).

It's to prevent, and i stress, "Those whom it may concern" from harming other players and their experiences.

If you are a person who sits in a Private world with your homies, safe, good for you. That isn't everyone. I've been in many worlds where someone will join and crash the entire room "Just because" or bother/rip/steal/manipulate other peoples models.

People use vacuum arguments all the time "I dont do bad things" I believe you. But there are those who do. And those caused a Application wide penalty system AKA EAC to occur.

VRC said they didnt want you to mod in the first place, this is dumb.

But the action to punish those with malicious intent at the cost of those who do no harm? Yeah I'm ok with that.

99% crashers have nothing to do with mods. In fact, anti-crash mods existed, and avatar rippers can very easily get by without mods. Wanna know why? because when you download someone's model, it has to get saved *somewhere* on your system in some form for you to see it.. Next example, please

[Soul]

as a modder i wanna say this with mods being harder to access and few crachers its safe to say pedos are gonna run rampit if they all ready arent crashers in turn do cause chaos but also stop pedos from you know pedoing