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A Gamer 3 DIC 2024 a las 21:36
Age Verification is good thing
It's good thing age verification is coming to vr chat. no more kids exposed to nsfw on certain worlds. no more creepy adults on worlds like bars and movie worlds who prey on little kids or act weird in front of them like the numerous of YouTube channels that exposes them. On certain worlds age verification will be required, not all of them so people younger than 18 can still enjoy vr chat. A w for vr chat.
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Draaloff 10 DIC 2024 a las 9:53 
Publicado originalmente por CrazyDutchBloke:
Can you tell me what GDPR act 5-c and Act 5-f states.
And compair that to what Persona requests and VRChat wants to save in there data base?
I give you a little hint, there breaking the law.
The additional protections (such as GDPR) override the standard agreement on Persona's website. Failure to do so will result in heavy fines, possible jail time, and reputation damage.

Publicado originalmente por lailaamell:
creep issue wont be solved really you just make it easier for those groups to find their targets
False. The majority of instances won't be adults-only ones. It will mostly be places like nightclubs that already have unofficial age checks with bouncers at the entrances.

Besides, solving that issue isn't the point of this update. It is purely to keep kids from adult content. That's why worlds (and hopefully also avatars) will be age-gated later on.

Just like offline: anyone can walk around town, but the nightclubs and bars require ID.
jasonwolfblood 14 DIC 2024 a las 8:50 
Publicado originalmente por Draaloff:
Publicado originalmente por CrazyDutchBloke:
Can you tell me what GDPR act 5-c and Act 5-f states.
And compair that to what Persona requests and VRChat wants to save in there data base?
I give you a little hint, there breaking the law.
The additional protections (such as GDPR) override the standard agreement on Persona's website. Failure to do so will result in heavy fines, possible jail time, and reputation damage.

Publicado originalmente por lailaamell:
creep issue wont be solved really you just make it easier for those groups to find their targets
False. The majority of instances won't be adults-only ones. It will mostly be places like nightclubs that already have unofficial age checks with bouncers at the entrances.

Besides, solving that issue isn't the point of this update. It is purely to keep kids from adult content. That's why worlds (and hopefully also avatars) will be age-gated later on.

Just like offline: anyone can walk around town, but the nightclubs and bars require ID.
cool. now we still have the issue of people not marking their worlds/avis as that... as well as the fact that most people still wont do an age verification...
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even funnier is the bs of " well, it isnt meant for keeping creeps away from kids, its meant to keep kids out of adult spaces"... how do you think most of the kids gain access to those worlds/avis? usually people invite them or show them. the adults who dont want kids to be around them in their worlds, or dont want kids to see their avis dont hang around kids to begin with, meaning that those people wont be effected either way by the age verification, and because its optional, they most likley wont do it. at the start, yes, it COULD do what you think its going to do, but its not going to take long for ♥♥♥♥ to go back to the way it was before... so now, what do you do then?
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1. we could limit those who dont want to participate in the age verification bs to specific avis/worlds?well, you cant do that because then you will have kids faking their age more, which will make it worse... so that option is out.
2. we could make the game a mature rating, but that will then cause the shareholders to flip out as well as make the devs lose more players because now the game would basically be vr omegle. theyve already ostracized most of the normal players from the game with the excessive monetization, eac, etc. once they ostracize the children, theyll be stuck with the degens who still play the game because they refuse to touch grass... so that wont work.
3. revert some of the extreme changes from the past few years, and let the community be able to police others more effectively again. this will cause players who felt betrayed by vrc to come back, as well as be more inviting to newer players... but we cant do that because then their shareholders will completely lose their ♥♥♥♥.
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basically, the optional age verification is a very short term solution to a problem they created. its a band aid for a severed leg
Draaloff 14 DIC 2024 a las 10:46 
Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
cool. now we still have the issue of people not marking their worlds/avis as that...
That's where reporting and moderation comes in, as usual.

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
as well as the fact that most people still wont do an age verification...
Too bad. Prove your age, or stick to 13-rated content.

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
even funnier is the bs of " well, it isnt meant for keeping creeps away from kids, its meant to keep kids out of adult spaces"... how do you think most of the kids gain access to those worlds/avis? usually people invite them or show them.
It'll keep kids out of PUBLISHED adult spaces. Inviting to unpublished worlds MAY remain possible, but the world has to belong to the person that uploaded it.
For avatars, you simply just report any that are not properly tagged.

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
the adults who dont want kids to be around them in their worlds, or dont want kids to see their avis dont hang around kids to begin with, meaning that those people wont be effected either way by the age verification
The adults who want to avoid kids will age-verify for adults-only instances. The obvious change will be that they will be able to create and join guaranteed child-free spaces.

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
and because its optional, they most likley wont do it.
See above point.
Your_White_Knight 14 DIC 2024 a las 10:54 
Publicado originalmente por Draaloff:
Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
the adults who dont want kids to be around them in their worlds, or dont want kids to see their avis dont hang around kids to begin with, meaning that those people wont be effected either way by the age verification

The adults who want to avoid kids will age-verify for adults-only instances. The obvious change will be that they will be able to create and join guaranteed child-free spaces.

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
and because its optional, they most likley wont do it.

See above point.

No you just proved the point

It's only going to help those who want to avoid kids, it's not helping kids, nor is it preventing those who shouldn't be around kids to be around kids
Draaloff 14 DIC 2024 a las 11:07 
Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
No you just proved the point
It's only going to help those who want to avoid kids, it's not helping kids, nor is it preventing those who shouldn't be around kids to be around kids
Age-gating is a form of protection. It's why bars, nightclubs, stores, etc do ID checks.
Your_White_Knight 14 DIC 2024 a las 11:12 
Publicado originalmente por Draaloff:
Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
No you just proved the point
It's only going to help those who want to avoid kids, it's not helping kids, nor is it preventing those who shouldn't be around kids to be around kids

Age-gating is a form of protection. It's why bars, nightclubs, stores, etc do ID checks.

And outside of bars, nightclubs, stores... what "protection" is there?
Draaloff 14 DIC 2024 a las 11:27 
Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
Publicado originalmente por Draaloff:
Age-gating is a form of protection. It's why bars, nightclubs, stores, etc do ID checks.
And outside of bars, nightclubs, stores... what "protection" is there?
Seriously?
If you get caught doing stuff with minors that you shouldn't, then you get arrested.
The VRChat equivalent is an account ban, and possibly legal action.
ChrisKylev2 14 DIC 2024 a las 13:57 
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.
Your_White_Knight 14 DIC 2024 a las 14:28 
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.

Explain how they are "protected" "now" when nothing will change

The creeps will still be there unfortunately, the kids will still be there

The only ones not there are a few being creeps with other creeps

Seriously, people don't understand none of it works except giving VRChat owners a pass. Nobody is saying something shouldn't be done, but it should be done in a way that actually works and doesn't doxx the people wanting to do it.

People you are not using your common sense...
Última edición por Your_White_Knight; 14 DIC 2024 a las 14:37
CrazyDutchBloke 14 DIC 2024 a las 14:46 
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.

How is a kid more protected with less adults in open non 18+ instances.
Sounds to me it's getting easier for those predators/creeps not having adults arround to worry about.
jasonwolfblood 14 DIC 2024 a las 14:52 
Publicado originalmente por CrazyDutchBloke:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.

How is a kid more protected with less adults in open non 18+ instances.
Sounds to me it's getting easier for those predators/creeps not having adults arround to worry about.
these people are short sighted. all they see is "older users can verify their age, and it does thing"... but they dont think about the fact that the people this would appeal to already dont interact with kids, dont make public easy to search avis/worlds, and usually dont go into public lobbies to begin with
Your_White_Knight 14 DIC 2024 a las 15:10 
Publicado originalmente por CrazyDutchBloke:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.

How is a kid more protected with less adults in open non 18+ instances.
Sounds to me it's getting easier for those predators/creeps not having adults arround to worry about.

Pretty much... that's a worse case scenario, they don't even understand it's not actually doing anything but making a "safe space" for creeps to be with other creeps

But yes
10 people in lobby
1 kid
1 creep
5 18+ verified users
3 18+ non-verified users

5 18+ verified users make a new instance for themselves and leave, that only leaves 3 18+ non-verified users to watch that the kid isn't bothered by the creep

Or even worse

5 18+ verified users make a new instance for themselves and leave, then the 3 18+ non-verified users leave because they don't want to be around kids either

And the kid is left with the creep alone

How a 18+ instance helps the kid or limits the actions of the creep?... none, zero, nada

BUT it does help the 5 18+ verified users who want to be creeps but don't want to be caught finding out that some non-verified user they're creeping on isn't 18+

They are only out for their own protection

They are only out for themselves

They dont' care about kids

Publicado originalmente por jasonwolfblood:
these people are short sighted. all they see is "older users can verify their age, and it does thing"... but they dont think about the fact that the people this would appeal to already dont interact with kids, dont make public easy to search avis/worlds, and usually dont go into public lobbies to begin with

Exactly... all this is going to do is scare off us good people who don't want to be around creeps and kids. This place will be creeps, kids, and people who pay to doxx themselves
Última edición por Your_White_Knight; 14 DIC 2024 a las 15:13
Draaloff 14 DIC 2024 a las 15:37 
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.
Indeed. There's a lot of self-reporting going on.

Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
Explain how they are "protected" "now" when nothing will change
Age verification and age-gating content isn't nothing.
Kids will no longer be able to enter ERP worlds and other adult locations.
They will be PROTECTED from entering such places. It will be a very good CHANGE.

Publicado originalmente por CrazyDutchBloke:
How is a kid more protected with less adults in open non 18+ instances.
Sounds to me it's getting easier for those predators/creeps not having adults arround to worry about.
This argument is ridiculous. Most adults-only instances will be made for adults-only worlds.
There's minimal demand for adult-instances of kid-friendly worlds other than a handful of social hubs. Good luck finding an active adults-only instance for Uno or go-karting.
RatBoggles 14 DIC 2024 a las 15:52 
Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
Publicado originalmente por ChrisKylev2:
I for one am happy VRchat is taking these measures, Place is riddled with creeps. Some of them are even in these threads trying to argue it's a bad thing kids are more protected now.

Explain how they are "protected" "now" when nothing will change

The creeps will still be there unfortunately, the kids will still be there

The only ones not there are a few being creeps with other creeps

Seriously, people don't understand none of it works except giving VRChat owners a pass. Nobody is saying something shouldn't be done, but it should be done in a way that actually works and doesn't doxx the people wanting to do it.

People you are not using your common sense...

I'd love to hear your suggestions since you've got so much common sense
Sepfox 14 DIC 2024 a las 16:33 
Publicado originalmente por Your_White_Knight:
Publicado originalmente por Draaloff:

Age-gating is a form of protection. It's why bars, nightclubs, stores, etc do ID checks.

And outside of bars, nightclubs, stores... what "protection" is there?

I don't know about you, but even Youtube requires ID verification if you want to access 18+ rated videos on their platform. It's not like ID verification is a rare thing or anything like that, both IRL and Online. The verification process there is pretty much on-par with what VRChat is introducing.

Over here anything that even remotely could resemble a income also needs ID checkups for legal reasons. Some platforms like Ebay even go a bit further and require you to give tax information at a certain point.

If you don't like the age verification, don't verify. Simple as that. If you don't like ID checkups at a nightclub, don't go to that nightclub. It's normal for a adult to want to be social with other adults. (imagine a 30 year old IRL who likes to primarily hang out with kids under 18, that's extremely creepy at the absolute best)

I'm all for age verification personally.
Última edición por Sepfox; 14 DIC 2024 a las 16:42
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