Developers Need to Address Crashes and Stop Relying on Easy Anti-Cheat

[Samson Fairfox]

I wonder when the developers of this game will be smart enough to remove Easy Anti-Cheat and just fix the crashes and bugs. It turns out that making a crash avatar is super simple and doesn't take much effort.

It's incredibly frustrating to watch, and I can't understand why they haven't addressed these issues after all this time. Fixing these problems might even help them save face, considering people are begging for money on maps made from other people's models and prefabs, with minimal effort to create the levels themselves.

Most of these levels are built using models found in other games and Second Life. I've seen what you all do, and I'm not dumb.

How many maps are randomly updated just to put things behind a paywall? This is not a good look for the community or the game as a whole.

[pupplemupple]

what are levels? are they worlds?

[Mittens]

i don't know why you're bringing worlds up that use existing assets because they're all community made. the crashers are indeed a problem that the devs seem to sweep under the rug though

[Draaloff]

Originally posted by Samson Fairfox:

I wonder when the developers of this game will be smart enough to remove Easy Anti-Cheat and just fix the crashes and bugs. It turns out that making a crash avatar is super simple and doesn't take much effort.

Just use these safety settings and you'll be fine:
https://github.com/shugy0/max-vrchat-fps?tab=readme-ov-file#in-game-safety-settings

[Samson Fairfox]

Starting to think people are just fine with broken systems like Easy Anti-Cheat, they love saying just use the safety band aid, you know how easy it is to crash clients even with those settings on very easy and I am not going to really explain all of that.

Also people think they are cute with posting settings any monkey could figure out. Did I ask for help? No, but people are just going to spam post anyways.

[Kiraiya]

Samson be like: Complaining about issues they're facing...

Also Samson be like: Literally ignoring any help they can get and instead rather insulting the people providing aid...

These discussion tabs are sometimes just sad. Just like this one.

[Samson Fairfox]

When did I ever say I was facing issues? I was just posting about random, well-known basic information on the game. I can make my own levels and also play on private worlds.

"It's incredibly frustrating to watch, and I can't understand why they haven't addressed these issues after all this time."

Yeah, I am complaining about my own problems, alright—talking at large about a community problem is me complaining about a personal problem for some reason or asking for help. If I needed help, I would have titled the post "Is there any way to stop the crashes?"

People jumping to aid out of context all the time makes me feel like I am in the mental hospital again, and the last time I went sucked. Professionals of all calibers keep pretending to figure out what's wrong, and they can't even process basic information without first randomly giving others pointless help. "Does this drug work?" "No, let's try this one."

Not trying to come off as a jerk, but these derail comments are getting old. Too many posts on this thread are out of context. No wonder why VRC devs have done nothing—at this point, I would not read any of this either.

[Draaloff]

Originally posted by Kiraiya:

Samson be like: Complaining about issues they're facing...

Also Samson be like: Literally ignoring any help they can get and instead rather insulting the people providing aid...

These discussion tabs are sometimes just sad. Just like this one.

Indeed. I will never understand people who complain without actually wanting help.

[OPERATOR]

Just to let you know there are currently lots of unavoidable crashes right now on vrchat that safety settings don't help for! Maybe thats what OP meant? EAC was never and has not been a magical bullet and it does not prevent the more annoying things, best thing you can do is stick to friends instances or out of hotspots that tend to have lots of random people, most of the time its bot accounts that go to server to server overloading your game!

Recommending safety settings as the only solution whilst good for the common crashes is not a final slap to the crashing battles people will face often, the best thing you can do as a user is try to document the accounts report them, and either accept you WILL be crashed now and then or like mentioned stick to instances that they dont appear in often.

VRCX[github.com] Is a tool that can be very handy in finding accounts that join with malicious intent!

[Draaloff]

Originally posted by OPERATOR:

Just to let you know there are currently lots of unavoidable crashes right now on vrchat that safety settings don't help for!

Any crasher avatars that rely on file size, lights/particles, shaders, or animations are entirely avoidable by using appropriate settings.
You can also disable avatars for all non-friends (or just everyone) in safety settings, which avoids the problem of crasher avatars entirely. The game is a lot less fun that way though.

[Maneki_Neko]

Originally posted by Draaloff:

Originally posted by OPERATOR:

Just to let you know there are currently lots of unavoidable crashes right now on vrchat that safety settings don't help for!

Any crasher avatars that rely on file size, lights/particles, shaders, or animations are entirely avoidable by using appropriate settings.
You can also disable avatars for all non-friends (or just everyone) in safety settings, which avoids the problem of crasher avatars entirely. The game is a lot less fun that way though.

mice bubble ya got there.....

modded clients that bypass eac are a thing ( its not all about crasher avatars, never was... ), and safety settings dont do ♥♥♥♥ to avoid them.

[Draaloff]

Originally posted by Maneki_Neko:

modded clients that bypass eac are a thing ( its not all about crasher avatars, never was... ), and safety settings dont do ♥♥♥♥ to avoid them.

That's unfortunate to hear, but there's not much you can do other than report those people.

[OPERATOR]

Originally posted by Draaloff:

Originally posted by OPERATOR:

Just to let you know there are currently lots of unavoidable crashes right now on vrchat that safety settings don't help for!

Any crasher avatars that rely on file size, lights/particles, shaders, or animations are entirely avoidable by using appropriate settings.
You can also disable avatars for all non-friends (or just everyone) in safety settings, which avoids the problem of crasher avatars entirely. The game is a lot less fun that way though.

I already basically stated that, unless it came across of dissing it completely, it's just not effective against more commonly used crashing methods right now!

[Senzoba]

Originally posted by Samson Fairfox:

I wonder when the developers of this game will be smart enough to remove Easy Anti-Cheat and just fix the crashes and bugs. It turns out that making a crash avatar is super simple and doesn't take much effort.

It's incredibly frustrating to watch, and I can't understand why they haven't addressed these issues after all this time. Fixing these problems might even help them save face, considering people are begging for money on maps made from other people's models and prefabs, with minimal effort to create the levels themselves.

Most of these levels are built using models found in other games and Second Life. I've seen what you all do, and I'm not dumb.

How many maps are randomly updated just to put things behind a paywall? This is not a good look for the community or the game as a whole.

a statement by the devs after the EAC update they said they will never remove easy anti cheat also they never come to these forums and any moderation is all done by steam moderators

[datæ]

Originally posted by Samson Fairfox:

Starting to think people are just fine with broken systems like Easy Anti-Cheat

EAC works fine, the devs need to severely limit what users can upload to the platform.
Also get rid of custom shaders completely.

[Samson Fairfox]

Originally posted by datæ:

Originally posted by Samson Fairfox:

Starting to think people are just fine with broken systems like Easy Anti-Cheat

EAC works fine, the devs need to severely limit what users can upload to the platform.
Also get rid of custom shaders completely.

EAC adds more overhead. Why do they even need it in a social game? To be honest, I've never really understood having both an anti-hack system and a reporting feature at the same time. If someone is being bad, just report them and they get banned. Very simple.

VR requires a lot of power to run, even on high-end devices, so any limitations caused by other processes are unacceptable.

To fix the shaders, they just need to control what sources people are allowed to run from. Custom shaders should still be allowed, but only if they're approved.

A CRC32 or 64 checksum on every file before and after upload could help. Even though some shaders have prebakes and other settings, this would at least make it much harder for crashers to succeed.

They might also be able to implement a validation engine on the server side. It would run everything on the avatar and detect issues, like memory leaks or actions that cause crashes for other users.

If any problems are found, the content gets marked as broken and delisted from the game worlds until fixed.

I still have no idea how they would implement this in practice, but someone smarter than me should be able to find a way.