how strong has crashers become?

[SparsePrawn891]

ive heard a stories where someone couldnt see anything in vrchat until they completly logged out and uninstalled the game and reinstalled till they could see again and they can overheat your pc to the point of almost 100* (140C). Is this their limit? Can they go beyond crashing and mess up audio?

[Minek-ill]

You shouldn't have to completely re-install VRchat to my knowledge

[Sanjeev Chodhankar]

they are harmless and they cannot go through safty i mess with them everday if u have safty on they cant do anything all they can try to do more than that is drop portals on u and that will not work as well they will just block u out of embarrassment

[Starkim]

Crashing nowdays are nowhere as heavy as back in 2018. Worst case scenario for a crash is the game just spikes ur ram a bit and closes. That's it

[Bluegills]

Messaggio originale di ♥ starkim ♥:

Crashing nowdays are nowhere as heavy as back in 2018. Worst case scenario for a crash is the game just spikes ur ram a bit and closes. That's it

Basically this.
Use safety settings and limit avatars to a certain perf as well for better performance generally as well.

[Plague]

heard of crashers that can fry your cpu or gpu and even a quest2

[Squid]

Messaggio originale di Plague:

heard of crashers that can fry your cpu or gpu and even a quest2

This is simply not true. All of the hardware you own has their own built in limiters that will slow the device down to lower temperatures, or even just turn the device off in a situation where the chips in the device thinks it's getting that hot. This logic is a part of the micro code built into the chips themselves and not a part of Windows, or the Quest 2. This means there is nothing your Quest or PC can do to override this process and your hardware will always prevent itself from physically damaging itself unless you physically tamper with the device. You cannot fry a CPU or GPU by putting it under heavy load. This process is called Thermal Throttling, and should only occur when there is inadequate cooling to keep the device running at stable temps.

Here is a Techquickie about it that explains it in a simple way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUyuKqIfMN0

[SparsePrawn891]

well i dont mind this post getting revived incase some crazy crasher wave of power came up.

[Bunkerotter]

it's ridiculous what people believe or those "crashers" are threatening with.
It got even so far that someone I know said there are crashers who can "crash" the VRChat "Servers" (there aren't really any servers to crash to begin with...).

The only thing that they can do is either lag you out, crash the game, mostly because of OOM, and maybe, if there is a bug/exploit in the engine/game code itself blue screen you're PC (also because of OOM). But that one is hard to achieve, but it's still windows... so... meh.

[Brock]

i've never really had a crasher, keep safety settings on

[boxboy79]

Messaggio originale di 🌴Bauddy Latex🌴:

as far as i'm aware, most powerful crashers now are known as "Gpu crashers" which if you're using an older gpu that doesn't have an auto shut down feature due to high temps, will cause the gpu fans to go crazy to the point they die in just a few seconds (unless you close the game fast enough)

people using older computers in general have reported having to completely restart them due to crashers as well.

nowadays in vrchat, you need to learn to grow a pair of eyes in the back of your head. also keep an eye out for trusted/known users. and lastly keep your safety on (tho even then some crashers can even go through safety, just keep a close eye out at all times)

OH NO
cries in radeon r7 360
I don't have VR so i just lurk the forums
{i know you can play desktop, i want to start with full immersion}
And i should be getting a GPU upgrade soon

[Y_umeko]

So, i'm here to revive this thread. A friend of mine is really experienced on the topic of vrc avatar creating. He aquired an avatar that's strong enough to bluescreen pc's. Im not 100% sure if it's legit, but from what i've seen him do I wouldn't be surprised. He also told me that it is possible to inject code into avatars to focus on a specific component, and disable protection for it. Is this something we should be afraid for?

(Code will disable heat protection for gpu, computer undervolts it to lower temps and the crasher takes advantage of that moment to pull off a heavy crash.)

[Bunkerotter]

Messaggio originale di Y_umeko:

(Code will disable heat protection for gpu, computer undervolts it to lower temps and the crasher takes advantage of that moment to pull off a heavy crash.)

Then tell my how an asset in a video game engine can access Ring 0? Actually, you can tell your "friend" that he could sell that knowledge to any three letter organization for quite a lot of money ;)

No, something like that is not possible. The only reason someone might bluescreen because of a crasher is usually related to hardware issues of that particular PC. Example: an avatar with very heavy shaders, which will cause the GPU to be utilized to 100%, and if the power supply of that particular PC is not sized well to supply the GPU with the specified power it could draw, it _could_ result in a bluescreen. Same with CPU load.

[dandykong]

Messaggio originale di Bunkerotter:

Messaggio originale di Y_umeko:

(Code will disable heat protection for gpu, computer undervolts it to lower temps and the crasher takes advantage of that moment to pull off a heavy crash.)

Then tell my how an asset in a video game engine can access Ring 0? Actually, you can tell your "friend" that he could sell that knowledge to any three letter organization for quite a lot of money ;)

No, something like that is not possible. The only reason someone might bluescreen because of a crasher is usually related to hardware issues of that particular PC. Example: an avatar with very heavy shaders, which will cause the GPU to be utilized to 100%, and if the power supply of that particular PC is not sized well to supply the GPU with the specified power it could draw, it _could_ result in a bluescreen. Same with CPU load.

Theoretically, it could be done with an ACE vulnerability affecting a hardware driver. But any crasher with this level of hacking knowledge wouldn't be wasting his time here when he could be making bank.

[Y_umeko]

Messaggio originale di dandykong:

Messaggio originale di Bunkerotter:

Then tell my how an asset in a video game engine can access Ring 0? Actually, you can tell your "friend" that he could sell that knowledge to any three letter organization for quite a lot of money ;)

No, something like that is not possible. The only reason someone might bluescreen because of a crasher is usually related to hardware issues of that particular PC. Example: an avatar with very heavy shaders, which will cause the GPU to be utilized to 100%, and if the power supply of that particular PC is not sized well to supply the GPU with the specified power it could draw, it _could_ result in a bluescreen. Same with CPU load.

Theoretically, it could be done with an ACE vulnerability affecting a hardware driver. But any crasher with this level of hacking knowledge wouldn't be wasting his time here when he could be making bank.

I maybe shouldve specified; im no expert to creating things in vrc, sorry if I said something stupid ;)