VRchat should not be on steam.

[DARK MATTER]

Due to the fact it's heavly moderated by pretty little snowflakes who need to grow the ♥♥♥♥ up.
Install a "MUTE" button, Disclaim if you're being harassed "USE THIS MUTE BUTTON"

If abuse happens then have evedence, you ban people you DON'T LIKE then steam shouldn't allow this game* to be on steam in the first place.

it will not thrive or become succsessful if you pick and chose who's ok to be in game and who isn't It's not your right to exclude people just because they like to have a laugh and you're a touchy little snowflake who gets offended by ♥♥♥♥.

honestly do you never learn, Don't FEED THE TROLLS!
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell ignoring a troll = trolling stops.

quit being so mentally ill grow your platform don't impeed it with your anal fears.

[andybak]

If I had to take a wild guess it would be that you were a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ in VRChat, got banned (probably rightfully) and are feeling sad about it.

There's something about your tone of voice that leads me to think you might not be the most calm and reasonable of people. :-)

[DrThrillKill]

Originally posted by LIVE The Arcade Alchemist:

Due to the fact it's heavly moderated by pretty little snowflakes who need to grow the ♥♥♥♥ up.
Install a "MUTE" button, Disclaim if you're being harassed "USE THIS MUTE BUTTON"

If abuse happens then have evedence, you ban people you DON'T LIKE then steam shouldn't allow this game* to be on steam in the first place.

it will not thrive or become succsessful if you pick and chose who's ok to be in game and who isn't It's not your right to exclude people just because they like to have a laugh and you're a touchy little snowflake who gets offended by ♥♥♥♥.

honestly do you never learn, Don't FEED THE TROLLS!
♥♥♥♥ing hell ignoring a troll = trolling stops.

quit being so mentally ill grow your platform don't impeed it with your anal fears.

sounds like you where mean on your acount make a new one and benice on that one

[Jazneo]

well don't act like dumbass player have right to block you and kick you from there world if you get annoying

[ANEX]

My friend and streamer Britbong, has been banned on numerous occasions, sometimes not even doing anything (such as talking with friends and watching youtube videos on the tv thing and no admins were in the hub too) what's hillarious is the admins ban everyone who is on his friends list on steam when he's playing even if they aren't on mic. I'm hesitant to even go back on because I think I'll get banned just because I'm friends on steam with a youtube troll haha. admins/mod need to loosen up a little, this game has the potential to grow into a huge fanbase, it could even rival secondlife one day but this draconian system that has been put in place right now is going to put off a lot of people including myself.

[MrThrillKill]

Originally posted by Anexcellentprofile:

My friend and streamer Britbong, has been banned on numerous occasions, sometimes not even doing anything (such as talking with friends and watching youtube videos on the tv thing and no admins were in the hub too) what's hillarious is the admins ban everyone who is on his friends list on steam when he's playing even if they aren't on mic. I'm hesitant to even go back on because I think I'll get banned just because I'm friends on steam with a youtube troll haha. admins/mod need to loosen up a little, this game has the potential to grow into a huge fanbase, it could even rival secondlife one day but this draconian system that has been put in place right now is going to put off a lot of people including myself.

so dont be mean to people on here Anexcellentprofile

[Tigerchips]

I've never seen a host do anything wrong yet so i find this hard to believe. I mean there has to be rules, you'll find most of these rules across the internet in various chat forums already. Also, when people have VR headsets, you haven't got to get too close to them as i would imagine it would be annoying, and certianly not in the way i've see some people getting too close.

[mogwaimon]

I have watched streams of players who do get banned for things that they received little warning about or even no warning at all. I recently heard about VRChat because I am going to purchase a Vive once my tax refunds are deposited into my bank account and I decided to go on Youtube to see gameplay footage and check out what it was like.

I found these videos of a dude named dasMehdi hanging out in the game with a bunch of people and having a good time. Granted, in his first video he does go nuts in a bar with, unbeknownst to him at the time, the developer of the game, and he does get banned for loudly requesting cocaine from them. This is, in my opinion, perhaps a deserved punishment if he was asked to stop in an official capacity and did not stop. However while he was verbally warned by a host named Gunter (I assume he's one of the devs along with VRPill?) they never identified themselves as admins or told him "Hey, can you calm it down a little?" or anything like that. He didn't even know they were admins until his Twitch chat pointed it out. They just banned him for a day.

Now I can see the logic in that, alright. But a week or so later after he'd come back and made a few more videos, there was a point where another player had started to use a Mad Moxxi avatar from Borderlands with breast physics. Mehdi began to comment on the model and was immediately warned through his PDA with no actual explanation of why he was warned, no indication that the other player or any others around were put off by this observation, and thus was left to reason out why he was warned himself. This does nothing to establish a clear guideline for players to follow, and only serves to frustrate the end user.

Later in the session, he had entered the school world along with a few players from his Twitch stream who he was asking to join for more participation. He had begun to roleplay as a computer teacher when some unaffiliated fools who had already been in the game following him around before he had invited his Twitch chat to join began doing a school shooting. Now I would never condone the actions of a school shooter, and it was in definite poor taste; keep that in mind. He tried to divert his computer class to the cafeteria to avoid the other players, and he had even blocked one of them (Which makes it so other avatars who are blocked are not even there so why the game needs such strict moderation when the players are fully capable of moderating who they wish to interact with is beyond me) but they kept following and enacting their scenario. At this point everyone was kicked from the school world, again with absolutely no warning or explanation given, again leaving the player to wonder if it was a glitch or actual disciplinary action.

So Mehdi goes to the courtroom world at this point and begins to get started playing out a court case; nothing objectionable seems to happen in this instance but within two minutes Mehdi (Along with many of the people he had invited to join him as well as others who had been in the school world) is banned from the game for another day. Once again this happens with no warning, no reason given by a moderator. At this point Mehdi is a little frustrated and rightfully so, so he writes a review on his time with the game that, frankly, I agree with. After this he finds out that not only is he still banned from the game a day later, but he is completely IP banned from even viewing the VRChat website. He makes no attempts to circumvent the ban, citing Twitch.tv rules, and moves on.

This is just one example that I know of. I don't even know the Britbong guy, and I didn't even know dasMehdi existed before I found VRChat. I wasn't a fan of these streamers, nor did I know of them. So why am I sitting here writing a huge diatribe about this? Because despite this I am still interested in the game. There are some amazing things in VRChat that no other social VR game does, to the point where an antisocial clod like me would want to join in just to see them and maybe make a friend or two. The game currently has the best personal avatar system that I've seen in a VR game. The 360 video room that I saw in Mehdi's videos was mindblowing with the Salvador Dali videos, even without an actual VR headset. You've got so many neat environments that facilitate social interactions from the comedy clubs, bars, and aforementioned courtrooms to the more fantastical space stations and fantasy hamlets.

But the core of any social game is the ability to freely talk with those around you. If everyone is walking on eggshells when they speak, then what's the point of talking? People would be afraid to express any conflicting viewpoints out of fear of the banhammer. Joking around with friends becomes a dangerous affair where you must watch any arbitrary lines in case an admin is peeking in on an otherwise uninhabited room and decides to ban you out of the blue. Why is this even necessary when, as was said before, the players are able to effectively erase anyone that they don't want to hear or see from existence? Those of you who simply assume the player in question was being an "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" or "mean", why don't you view the other side of the story and see if you agree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7OcjwTH9J0 Mehdi gets banned for cocaine

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/123277672 Unedited footage of the incidents described above. This is the raw Twitch stream about an hour long. The breast part takes place around 18:30-19:00 and is rather short, while the school incident comprises the last half hour of the video, roughly. I know it's long but the footage is there.

I'm gonna get off the soapbox now and let someone else have a turn. I just hope that by the time I run through Raw Data or Onward or whatever else I want to do in VR and have time for VRChat, the moderation team is a bit less uptight and a bit more forthcoming with actually explaining the rules that they are enforcing so that I can attempt to respect them, rather than having to worry about being insta-banned if I express an opinion that others disagree with or if I accidentally swear (Which I likely would, I won't lie)

[Tigerchips]

Did you know there is an age restriction in the game too, not sure how old but he sounds about 13-15 or something.

[mogwaimon]

I don't know how old he is but considering the subject of age was never brought up then why is that a factor? Also if there is an age restriction then why warn over the mere mention of breasts? There was a young child in the school and in other VRChat videos I have seen there are also clearly young children present as well so I assumed it was open to all ages to be honest.

I can't judge a person's age entirely on their voice, but if you listen to some of Mehdi's other videos (Especially when he's participating in an Arma 3 RP server) he has a much deeper voice. I mean even his normal voice sounds like a high teen early twenties voice to me but again, can't judge entirely on voice.

[Tigerchips]

If there's children in the game then even more reason to kick people out like that. I mean he's just trolling people, there's really no excuse.

[mogwaimon]

Did you watch the videos? Sure in the first one he might have been trolling but in the second one he was playing the game by creating and participating in a social activity with others? After the first ban for the cocaine he starts actually exploring the venues in the game, engaging people in conversation, and joining with groups to socialize.

It's not like he was actively going around and stomping on other people's fun. I think the definition of trolling has been broadened nowadays to mean "Anything I don't personally like or agree with."

I'm not saying that's the way you define 'trolling' but back in my day trolling was a blatantly malicious activity and not just a label for people who act outside of what may be the norm

[ANEX]

Originally posted by MrThrillKill:

Originally posted by Anexcellentprofile:

My friend and streamer Britbong, has been banned on numerous occasions, sometimes not even doing anything (such as talking with friends and watching youtube videos on the tv thing and no admins were in the hub too) what's hillarious is the admins ban everyone who is on his friends list on steam when he's playing even if they aren't on mic. I'm hesitant to even go back on because I think I'll get banned just because I'm friends on steam with a youtube troll haha. admins/mod need to loosen up a little, this game has the potential to grow into a huge fanbase, it could even rival secondlife one day but this draconian system that has been put in place right now is going to put off a lot of people including myself.

so dont be mean to people on here Anexcellentprofile

being "mean" is a very vauge area in general, some people think others are mean just because they raise their voice at someone or seem stand offish. people like that should NOT be banned on here

[ANEX]

Originally posted by mogwaimon:

I have watched streams of players who do get banned for things that they received little warning about or even no warning at all. I recently heard about VRChat because I am going to purchase a Vive once my tax refunds are deposited into my bank account and I decided to go on Youtube to see gameplay footage and check out what it was like.

I found these videos of a dude named dasMehdi hanging out in the game with a bunch of people and having a good time. Granted, in his first video he does go nuts in a bar with, unbeknownst to him at the time, the developer of the game, and he does get banned for loudly requesting cocaine from them. This is, in my opinion, perhaps a deserved punishment if he was asked to stop in an official capacity and did not stop. However while he was verbally warned by a host named Gunter (I assume he's one of the devs along with VRPill?) they never identified themselves as admins or told him "Hey, can you calm it down a little?" or anything like that. He didn't even know they were admins until his Twitch chat pointed it out. They just banned him for a day.

Now I can see the logic in that, alright. But a week or so later after he'd come back and made a few more videos, there was a point where another player had started to use a Mad Moxxi avatar from Borderlands with breast physics. Mehdi began to comment on the model and was immediately warned through his PDA with no actual explanation of why he was warned, no indication that the other player or any others around were put off by this observation, and thus was left to reason out why he was warned himself. This does nothing to establish a clear guideline for players to follow, and only serves to frustrate the end user.

Later in the session, he had entered the school world along with a few players from his Twitch stream who he was asking to join for more participation. He had begun to roleplay as a computer teacher when some unaffiliated fools who had already been in the game following him around before he had invited his Twitch chat to join began doing a school shooting. Now I would never condone the actions of a school shooter, and it was in definite poor taste; keep that in mind. He tried to divert his computer class to the cafeteria to avoid the other players, and he had even blocked one of them (Which makes it so other avatars who are blocked are not even there so why the game needs such strict moderation when the players are fully capable of moderating who they wish to interact with is beyond me) but they kept following and enacting their scenario. At this point everyone was kicked from the school world, again with absolutely no warning or explanation given, again leaving the player to wonder if it was a glitch or actual disciplinary action.

So Mehdi goes to the courtroom world at this point and begins to get started playing out a court case; nothing objectionable seems to happen in this instance but within two minutes Mehdi (Along with many of the people he had invited to join him as well as others who had been in the school world) is banned from the game for another day. Once again this happens with no warning, no reason given by a moderator. At this point Mehdi is a little frustrated and rightfully so, so he writes a review on his time with the game that, frankly, I agree with. After this he finds out that not only is he still banned from the game a day later, but he is completely IP banned from even viewing the VRChat website. He makes no attempts to circumvent the ban, citing Twitch.tv rules, and moves on.

This is just one example that I know of. I don't even know the Britbong guy, and I didn't even know dasMehdi existed before I found VRChat. I wasn't a fan of these streamers, nor did I know of them. So why am I sitting here writing a huge diatribe about this? Because despite this I am still interested in the game. There are some amazing things in VRChat that no other social VR game does, to the point where an antisocial clod like me would want to join in just to see them and maybe make a friend or two. The game currently has the best personal avatar system that I've seen in a VR game. The 360 video room that I saw in Mehdi's videos was mindblowing with the Salvador Dali videos, even without an actual VR headset. You've got so many neat environments that facilitate social interactions from the comedy clubs, bars, and aforementioned courtrooms to the more fantastical space stations and fantasy hamlets.

But the core of any social game is the ability to freely talk with those around you. If everyone is walking on eggshells when they speak, then what's the point of talking? People would be afraid to express any conflicting viewpoints out of fear of the banhammer. Joking around with friends becomes a dangerous affair where you must watch any arbitrary lines in case an admin is peeking in on an otherwise uninhabited room and decides to ban you out of the blue. Why is this even necessary when, as was said before, the players are able to effectively erase anyone that they don't want to hear or see from existence? Those of you who simply assume the player in question was being an "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" or "mean", why don't you view the other side of the story and see if you agree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7OcjwTH9J0 Mehdi gets banned for cocaine

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/123277672 Unedited footage of the incidents described above. This is the raw Twitch stream about an hour long. The breast part takes place around 18:30-19:00 and is rather short, while the school incident comprises the last half hour of the video, roughly. I know it's long but the footage is there.

I'm gonna get off the soapbox now and let someone else have a turn. I just hope that by the time I run through Raw Data or Onward or whatever else I want to do in VR and have time for VRChat, the moderation team is a bit less uptight and a bit more forthcoming with actually explaining the rules that they are enforcing so that I can attempt to respect them, rather than having to worry about being insta-banned if I express an opinion that others disagree with or if I accidentally swear (Which I likely would, I won't lie)

couldn't have explained it better man, thanks for this response :)

[IblisFlare]

I keep hearing about this, but I've met like, four or five of the moderators and they were all very friendly and reasonable in their actions when they took action. giving multiple verbal warnings before taking action and using the ban as a last resort if it's continuous. I'm not sure if there's a rougue going around doing things like this or something, and I'm not going to say it doesn't happen, as I don't know, however, I will say I haven't seen it in four or five of them.

[Tigerchips]

There have been a few rogues and they've all been dealt with i think. I've got videos of them too, but i don't post them because i'm not one of those people who post crap like that to get a reaction.