BLACKJACK IS RIGGED

[Benim]

So I'm playing high stake and bet 500k 15 times. I win 13/15 times.
Then I start betting higher 2.5m-10m. I lose 10 straight.

How tf are GOP3 allowed to brag about being "RNG Certified" when it's so obviously not RNG.

[76561198967926364]

Howdy Munclear! We are not bragging about being "RNG Certified", we are just stating the facts. We are sorry to hear that you lost 10 hands in a row, but that actually depends on several factors such as luck, strategy and the way you play your cards. Hope you have more luck next time Governor! 🍀🍀🍀

[Hisendam]

Just in case ;-): https://de.pokernews.com/casino/blackjack-strategie.htm

If you already play with the best possible strategy you were just unlucky.

[Sparkie951]

Originally posted by Hisendam:

Just in case ;-): https://de.pokernews.com/casino/blackjack-strategie.htm

If you already play with the best possible strategy you were just unlucky.

I play good Poker, and reviewed your rules... However the luck of this Dealer is 2nd to none! I had 20 3 times in a row, just for the Dealer to flip over a 21... Speaking of Luck... Hard to buy... I have run percentages of playing this game, and I lose a Lot more here, than I do with real cards. that is not an opinion, but calculated facts. And it is just not me complaining about it... It is most of the players out there. The game is Brutal... My recommendations is to play the minimum to get your daily points.

[Sparkie951]

I just ran some stats that disputes your rules... I followed them all but 1 Rule and that is if the Dealer has a 6 showing, most of the time it is a 10-K for Black Jack... With that in mind, I had the following results based on 88 hands.

Wins 33
Losses 45
Push 10
Total Games 88

% Wins 37.5%
% Losses 51.1%
%Pushed 11.4%
Black Jack 2

Busted 13
% of Hands Busted 14.8%
Dealer Bust 19
% of Hands Dealer Bust 21.6%

I will follow up and see what happens tomorrow and the days that follows... This clearly shows the house advantage even playing by your rules except as noted.

[Hisendam]

Originally posted by Sparkie951:

I just ran some stats that disputes your rules... I followed them all but 1 Rule and that is if the Dealer has a 6 showing, most of the time it is a 10-K for Black Jack... With that in mind, I had the following results based on 88 hands.

Wins 33
Losses 45
Push 10
Total Games 88

% Wins 37.5%
% Losses 51.1%
%Pushed 11.4%
Black Jack 2

Busted 13
% of Hands Busted 14.8%
Dealer Bust 19
% of Hands Dealer Bust 21.6%

I will follow up and see what happens tomorrow and the days that follows... This clearly shows the house advantage even playing by your rules except as noted.

They are not my rules btw ;-). I am a total Black Jack noob and looked the strategy up quickly to avoid loosing too hard. I think I am at about 45:55 but don't really care. Usually casino games are designed the way that the bank wins a little more often than the player as they have to make a living somehow: https://www.ace-ten.com/blackjack-basics/odds/

[Sparkie951]

Actually, I meant to say the rules that you published.... I do not think there is a good way to play GOP's black jack... I personally think that Betting the Minimum and playing the Minimum for the Daily's is the safest way to go.

[Sparkie951]

After 5 Days, here are the stats that I have come up with... These are real numbers, played between 2 players at the same time. I have 2 players (never playing them together). I noticed at least 40% of the time they both will win or lose at the same time. I have only noted them losing a max of 5 times in a row. 4 Days of losses, 1 Day of Wins, Overall Net loss. Also make note, only played to have each player win 30 to get they daily challenge.

Wins ----------------- 272 ----- 42.7%
Losses -------------- 306 ----- 48.0%
Push ----------------- 59 --------- 9.3%
Total Games ------- 637
P&L ------------------ < $20,000 >
Black Jack ---------- 28 --------- 4.4%
Busted --------------- 92 ------- 14.4%
Dealer Bust--------- 141 ------ 22.1%
Total ------------------ 637
Days Played ------- 5
Avg/Day - ------------127.4

Make note, my 2nd character was to play with my lower level friends, who have quit due to all the Bingo Play. I do play this character, but not nearly as much as my stronger character.

[Hisendam]

Originally posted by Sparkie951:

After 5 Days, here are the stats that I have come up with... These are real numbers, played between 2 players at the same time. I have 2 players (never playing them together). I noticed at least 40% of the time they both will win or lose at the same time. I have only noted them losing a max of 5 times in a row. 4 Days of losses, 1 Day of Wins, Overall Net loss. Also make note, only played to have each player win 30 to get they daily challenge.

Wins 272 42.7%
Losses 306 48.0%
Push 59 9.3%
Total Games 637
P&L < $20,000 >
Black Jack 28 4.40%
Busted 92 14.4%
Dealer Bust 141 22.1%
Total 637
Days Played 5
Avg/Day 127.4

Make note, my 2nd character was to play with my lower level friends, who have quit due to all the Bingo Play. I do play this character, but not nearly as much as my stronger character.

Thanx for tracking that stuff - so it does not seem to be rigged at all - from my understanding BJ is designed the way that the house wins about 11% more often than the player: https://www.ace-ten.com/blackjack-basics/odds/

So you hit that number quite exactly: 1 - 272/306 = 11.1%

[Sparkie951]

I kind of disagree, but not because of the numbers... when playing both players together at the exact same time.... 9 times out of 10 they will both win and lose at the same time... Also, to get the 30 wins, they are always stay within 5 hands or less of each other... True randomness 2 players at 2 different tables would not win that often at the same time.

Think of you and a Buddy playing in a casino at different tables.... You both play to win the same number of hands and you not only find that you are consistently finishing so close and not only that when you lose a hand they lose a hand at the same time and the same for winning.

With that information, I would most certainly see some sort of fixing somewhere!

With all that in mind, I play the Cheapest and the Minimum to get the Daily/Weekly Challenge, but with a loss of 20,000 over 5 days it is not a bad trade off, but not a place you want to go to make a windfall either. Over all I consider the Black Jack here akin to the Slot Machine... They are both no win situations in my humble opinion.

I will be updating again once I get 1000 data points and may consider continuing from there... As I have stated before... Math is a Hobby with me. I love taking numbers, plugging them into a spread sheet and see what turns up in stats.

[Sparkie951]

Originally posted by Munclear:

So I'm playing high stake and bet 500k 15 times. I win 13/15 times.
Then I start betting higher 2.5m-10m. I lose 10 straight.

How tf are GOP3 allowed to brag about being "RNG Certified" when it's so obviously not RNG.

Noting my above comments, you would be much better to play the lower values. I use the 1K as I know that 90% of the time that I am going to lose money during the day.

[Hisendam]

Isn't the math quite simple ;-)? You loose in the long run. Conclusion: Don't play Black Jack unless you want to finish some quests.

[Sparkie951]

Originally posted by Hisendam:

Isn't the math quite simple ;-)? You loose in the long run. Conclusion: Don't play Black Jack unless you want to finish some quests.

Yes... Black Jack is most certainly for the house... rigged or not rigged... This morning my first hands of black jacks (still working on the status, Both had same hands starting with a K, Both Dealer cards were a 10. Both hands busted with each hand having 22 and that is on different tables... I wonder what the odds of that would be in a real game...

2 Days out of 6 so far I had a profit (today 1600 chips gained out of 143 hands). So my losses are down to 18500 over yesterday.

the only thing that you gain in a long run is free spins and XP, and my opinion is what you win in spins and XP is not worth it in the long run when you consider the time factor, but based on 5 days and getting the spins that so many drive for you will gain a very thin marginal profit.

More stats to follow when I get over 1000 points which should be about 2 days.

[Sparkie951]

I promised a report when I passed 1000 hands... As of today, finished up with 1078 hands played. Make note that on 8/5 on 10 wins, as there was not a Daily Achievement that day.

Wins - 476 - 44.0%
Losses - 511 - 47.2%
Push - 95 - 8.8%
Total Games - 1082
P&L - $(12,000)
Black Jack - 46 - 4.25%
Busted - 163 - 15.1%
Dealer Bust - 257 - 23.8%
Total - 1083
Days Played - 9
Avg/Day - 120.3

Games Played Per Day
7/30/2020 - 88
7/31/2020 - 110
8/1/2020 - 134
8/2/2020 - 159
8/3/2020 - 146
8/4/2020 - 143
8/5/2020 - 44 - (Only 10 Wins)
8/6/2020 - 137
8/7/2020 - 122

3 days had a profit, but still an over net loss... If playing for chips this is the wrong game to play, however if you play strictly for the challenge and the spins it will award, I feel that it will be a minimal challenge to do so... But with that said, you would probably net gain more out of the Poker Shack in Beginners Lake. I do not recommend playing under a doubler for extra points as it is not worth it to do it. Better use is in an actual poker game.

Disclaimer, The numbers and stats are real data taken from real games that I have played on GOP, the text commentary is only my opinion.

[gkmulti]

My dear Friend Sparkie,
Considering my education and by the fact that these guys have pushed me out of my limits, today is the final day, I'm involved with anything that has to do with this garbage.
I'm tired to "knock on deafs's doors"..
Had 115M that is the highest I achieved during last weeks, broke their 4th level pink animal (that means +40), and finished at 5M in a few hours evening... Not even bothering to comment any more on algorithms, etc..
I have more serious things to do or more fair games to explore than some gang that, the only thing they care of, is how to brake your nerves, destroy the fun you want to have, when you want to relax after work, only because they are looking for victims, the same way "gold diggers" do..
These are being said by someone that, started this journey 5 years ago, as a team leader, with the faith, that this game will remain the way it used to be, to respect his players, try to keep teams as a second family, and let you achieve any kind of prizes, that if you had the skills you could easily achieve.. Like when I was at 2,7Billions, before they steal it first time from me.. Bought chips to support, and had a respectful team which we had real fun.
Last years nothing reminds me good old days. My team members had left, reason is obvious, tried a different team that is also about to dissappear, for the same reason since the only thing has left is stupid all inners, bots and cheaters with more accounts than one..
Tired to try to change things with people who don't want, since they are satisfied with their profits, and of course I don't blame them,you see it is a business. Even though I know my post is a matter of time to be deleted..
But since I'm not fool, and already dissatisfied by their services, it needs to stop here. At least for me.
Last and only statement by me, I have never been abused in a game this way before, in so short time... Nothing more nothing less...
Glad to met you. All the best. Take care.

[Sparkie951]

Originally posted by gkmulti:

My dear Friend Sparkie,
Considering my education and by the fact that these guys have pushed me out of my limits, today is the final day, I'm involved with anything that has to do with this garbage.
I'm tired to "knock on deafs's doors"..
Had 115M that is the highest I achieved during last weeks, broke their 4th level pink animal (that means +40), and finished at 5M in a few hours evening... Not even bothering to comment any more on algorithms, etc..
I have more serious things to do or more fair games to explore than some gang that, the only thing they care of, is how to brake your nerves, destroy the fun you want to have, when you want to relax after work, only because they are looking for victims, the same way "gold diggers" do..
These are being said by someone that, started this journey 5 years ago, as a team leader, with the faith, that this game will remain the way it used to be, to respect his players, try to keep teams as a second family, and let you achieve any kind of prizes, that if you had the skills you could easily achieve.. Like when I was at 2,7Billions, before they steal it first time from me.. Bought chips to support, and had a respectful team which we had real fun.
Last years nothing reminds me good old days. My team members had left, reason is obvious, tried a different team that is also about to dissappear, for the same reason since the only thing has left is stupid all inners, bots and cheaters with more accounts than one..
Tired to try to change things with people who don't want, since they are satisfied with their profits, and of course I don't blame them,you see it is a business. Even though I know my post is a matter of time to be deleted..
But since I'm not fool, and already dissatisfied by their services, it needs to stop here. At least for me.
Last and only statement by me, I have never been abused in a game this way before, in so short time... Nothing more nothing less...
Glad to met you. All the best. Take care.

i know what you are saying.... I know quite a few who have quit this game just because of the abuse.... I have been trying to drop idea's and hints to GOP, but so far it has been a Deaf ear.... Maybe a Miracle will awaken and they will fix this feasco... As is stands now, not sure how long I am going to tolerate it... Between Bingo Players, Cheaters it has come to the point that it is just not fun. Players are very unprofessional and not caring... All they want is quick points and don't care who they hurt... But that is the way it is..

May Salvo will review your message and maybe something will sink in... Time will tell... Give it a couple of months and try it again... maybe if we are lucky, something will change... But don't hold your breath.