Governor of Poker 3

Governor of Poker 3

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davetubb Dec 29, 2017 @ 11:28pm
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Governor of Poker 3 is a massive fraud
I'm 56, I lived a few hours from Las Vegas for many years and went 5-6 times a year plus I've gambled in Atlantic City, California Casinos, Washington State etc. There's no way what ever random number generator they use for this site is legit. Statistically its not even remotely close to any reality I've ever eperienced. I've even gambled in Europe, Monte Carlo etc, nope, this site is simply ridiculous beyonf belief.
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WolfCall Dec 30, 2017 @ 12:05am 
I 100% agree with you. I am 69 :) and live on the east coast and once a month, for close to 11 yrs, a group we belong to meet at a Casino and do our thing for the weekend. We have had many pros watch this game when I log in with my account and also several casino dealers that hang with us when we aren't in their casino and every one of them say the same thing... WTF...and they ROFL when they watch Black Jack.
Dennis  [developer] Jan 2, 2018 @ 3:21am 
Hey guys,

Good to hear we got experience poker players here. :)

At Governor of Poker, we value a fair game. Therefore, we don't manipulate any cards to favor one player above another or the house. We simply shuffle the deck and deal each player the cards. To shuffle the deck, we use the Fisher–Yates algorithm, with a Mersenne Twister as the random number generator. These are proven and tested methods to shuffle a deck as fairly as possible.

In poker, 1 deck is used, while in blackjack, 6 decks are used. We shuffle the deck(s) after each round.

Do keep in mind that players aren't playing for real money, like they would in a casino, the result is that more players will take the risk and stay in the game with bad cards. Due to this the bad beat ratio is higher then it would be in a casino. Some people are just having fun.
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GR Jan 4, 2018 @ 12:11pm 
it can reward people playing bad hands far too often
Kunkkaaaaa Jan 4, 2018 @ 1:22pm 
I lost count to how many all ins i lost due to the last card of the river. I have good hands and the opponent has nothing then it feels the game is just picking winners and loosers.
-ev!lrag3 Jan 4, 2018 @ 5:21pm 
If u win..u win..if u lose..u lose..period..
x911 Jan 7, 2018 @ 12:24pm 
k den
x911 Jan 11, 2018 @ 4:54pm 
Originally posted by nobody:
THIS IS NOT GAMBLING!!! IT IS ENTERTAINMENT! WHO CARES IF THEY USE LEGIT 'VEGAS-STYLE' CARD SHUFFLING ALGORITHMS...DO YOU GAMBLE FOR FREE IN VEGAS? DIDN'T THINK SO...YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN ANY REAL MONEY HERE OR BECOME WORLD FAMOUS. What is it with people who get something for free and still complain?
Caps off please
davetubb Jan 30, 2018 @ 9:35pm 
It might not be legit gambling but they have already sworn that their random number generators are legit which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It matters because you still pay for chips, how fast you go through them mattters a great deal. It boils down to ethical business prctices in which they have none since they bold face lie.
x911 Jan 30, 2018 @ 10:04pm 
Originally posted by davetubb:
It might not be legit gambling but they have already sworn that their random number generators are legit which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It matters because you still pay for chips, how fast you go through them mattters a great deal. It boils down to ethical business prctices in which they have none since they bold face lie.
I mean.. Almost every f2p game have microtransactions. Plus the dev needs to earn money somehow.. :happypolice:
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76561198328156113 (Banned) Jan 31, 2018 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by Dennis:
Hey guys,

Good to hear we got experience poker players here. :)

At Governor of Poker, we value a fair game. Therefore, we don't manipulate any cards to favor one player above another or the house. We simply shuffle the deck and deal each player the cards. To shuffle the deck, we use the Fisher–Yates algorithm, with a Mersenne Twister as the random number generator. These are proven and tested methods to shuffle a deck as fairly as possible.

In poker, 1 deck is used, while in blackjack, 6 decks are used. We shuffle the deck(s) after each round.

Do keep in mind that players aren't playing for real money, like they would in a casino, the result is that more players will take the risk and stay in the game with bad cards. Due to this the bad beat ratio is higher then it would be in a casino. Some people are just having fun.
And some people use bot to win and you guys cant get that and proof that people use bot and win 13 billions in 5 months
{TBK} RangerX Aug 30, 2018 @ 1:06pm 
@Dennis (the Developer).

Yeah, I'm calling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that the random number and 'shuffle' generator works properly.

I have sat at this game and drew the SAME HOLE CARDS 3 or more times in a row. The REALLY odd thing is, SOMEtimes they MAY be of different suits, but they are still the same hand, and they ARE often the same suit as before.

Also, this game throws out more flushes in a single hour of play than a public toilet in a Greyhound bus station does all day. THAT is statistically impossible. As a programmer myself, I would like to ask what value you are using to seed the random number generator in your code, your mother's birthday?? Because it is about as random as night and day.

In fact, it is so UNRANDOM that the game can no longer be played using proper statistics to gauge whether or not to bet, raise, or fold. This is not something that occurs OCCASIONALLY, but rather, it occurs CONSTANTLY.

How do I know? Well, I spent about two hours a day over two weeks taking screenshots where VIPs with NOTHING won the hand 100% of the time against other players who had ANYTHING that was not higher than 3-of-a-kind, and ALWAYS on the turn and river cards, especially if the non-VIP made a big raise or an all-in where their hand SHOULD, statistically, have won. To make matters worse, the SAME VIP could repeat that process multiple times against other player's hands. The VIP would ALWAYS get just the right card on the turn or river to win the hand after the betting got heavy. I was using a PROPERLY coded card calculator to determine the hand probabilities, and this held true 100% of the time EVEN when the probability was over 80% that my or the other player's hand would win.

This same pattern appears to REVERSE itself when there are ZERO VIPs at a table but there ARE several under Level 30 players, especially the ones that bet like dumbasses by going all-in on a single mid-level face card and deuce pre-flop. In that configuration, the Under-30s get those same kinds of wins over other players on the turn and river cards.

Not to mention that, on multiple occasions, and despite how many players came or left the table, I've sat through over a dozen hands in a row and not gotten one single card above an 8 at all, and more often than not, both cards are lower than a 6. Just over and over again. This is something else that is not statistically possible, especially on a full table with a fluctuating number of five or seven players. It has often done the same thing to me in Sit & Go's with only three people, and head-to-head tournaments with 2.

Any correctly working statistics calculator will prove to you that the random number generator and 'shuffling' algorithm in your game simply do NOT work properly.
Iceman Sep 1, 2018 @ 8:57am 
Don't play poker so much, but I play blackjack all the time. I find it very hard to believe that the Blackjack game on GOP3 isn't rigged. Player very rarely gets face cards, and dealer has a face card as the up card far above average.

The developers are only half correct when they claim that this isn't "real gambling". The game is free to play, but when you are out of chips you have to wait a long time before you can spin for more - so it is very tempting to end up purchasing additional chips from the developers.

Hence they do actually have a vested interest to gobble up all your chips on the blackjack table.

I have played blackjack at casinos, and online in various forms. Blackjack on GOP3 does not seem to average out at all - not even close. I have no ax to grind here either, I have never purchased chips on GOP3, so I haven't lost money. It is a genuine observation.
Dennis  [developer] Sep 10, 2018 @ 6:16am 
Originally posted by Hank E. Pranke:
I love it! Grown men complaining that they aren't winning in a virtual game of poker - that doesn't have to cost them a dime!..so it must be rigged. I can imagine some of you testing your 'theories' over and over and over until you are absolutely convinced that it's rigged - yet still have no proof. And not one of you will ever blame your bad choices to chase your bets or call every all-in hand that you think is a bluff or try to take down every bully. The fact that there is no limit and no risk involved means the environment will be filled with toxic players playing hands they never would at a real table (maybe not you but thousands of others...including me!). Why? Because they don't have the burden of worrying whether they will have to buy chips...they just wait and try again when they amass enough free spins to get ahead. Now GOP3 gives you more chips and chances than ever before...yet it's the same story with some ppl. No amount of chips will satisfy an addict. When you buy virtual chips (w/no monetary value whatsoever), you are merely extending the entertainment value because you burn through the free stuff quicker than they can give it to you. Or you simply enjoy the game and you know that buying chips helps out the developers/programmers/artists/etc...who put a lot of time and effort into this project. No one forces you to buy ANYTHING.

As far as BJ...like other ppl, I've tested it and tested it until I went broke every time. I even complained that it was rigged too. But did I lose most hands chasing my bets because I suspected foul play?...or because it was me playing the suckers game? I don't know but it doesn't matter - If I had quit when I was ahead I wouldn't have complained. Now I just don't play it...besides, it's just boring.

As far as the RNG...I read something online some time ago that a RNG in a digital world can never truly be as random as the physical act of shuffling real cards. I also remember a commentator on a poker series tv show also talked about it, saying that it was an enigma and no one really understood why RNG's couldn't be 'perfectly' random, whatever that means. I guess an example would be like last night - 3 aces popped up on the table consecutively. I've never seen THAT at a (real) table game before...but then there's a first for everything...right? It has to be random because eventually, it was bound to happen in the laws of randomness. It's just more likely to happen in a digital world because RNG's aren't 'perfect'. I just deal with it...:steammocking:

This genius said it all :) (And for the conspiracy thinkers: no i don't know the guy, it's just another player)
Dennis  [developer] Sep 10, 2018 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by ABella:
Dennis. What is the current outdraw rate, I predict it is above 8x Standatd Deviation. A level if ruled by the gambling commission, would result in the site being closed down? How many 100k hand samples have you monitored to establish or back up what you are attempting to say. Where are the tables showing your sampling?

Hi ABella,

We did all the test and are using Fisher-Yates in combination with Mersenne Twister.
These are advised by RNG certification companies as the best to use.
mspeed Oct 30, 2018 @ 2:21pm 
There is no possible way these cards are random. Five handed games should see very few five card hands, i.e. straights, flushes, etc.

The odds of being dealt suited cards are roughly one in four, connectors one in six. The odds of both are one in 24. The odds of flopping four flush or four straight is one in eight, the odds of both happening are roughly one in 64. The odds of all this happening for exactly two players are worse than one in a thousand. Adding players makes it more frequent, which is why hold ‘em is played ten handed.

What I strongly suspect is that because amateur poker players would be bored stupid with truly random cards GOP3 has stacked the decks to give players hands worth seeing a flop and then flopping a board that improves multiple hands. This produces action and makes the game more fun. I think the selection of which stacked deck is used is random, as is which player gets which promising hole cards but I do not believe the set of shuffles from which to choose is complete.

The median winning poker hand in a ten handed game is two pair, jacks and eights. There is simply no way this many pat hands should be showing five handed. If you want a comparison, take notes on one of the various poker tv shows. Write down all the starting hands and then track through the end of the hand how many pat hands would have made if everyone stayed to the end.

For those people complaining, the game should correctly be unregulated by gaming authorities because there is no value to be won. It doesn’t matter that chips can be purchased, it isn’t gambling because no monetary value can be gained from the game, any more than from a video game or pinball machine.
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