Divinity: Original Sin 2

Divinity: Original Sin 2

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DaniTheHero Mar 15, 2021 @ 6:08am
Lore Disconnect from DOS1. (Spoilers).
I actually played DOS2 first and never heard about any of the other Divinity games.
The lore in dos2 seemed nice although a bit messy and the last arc seemed a bit of a fall off but i still enjoyed the game a lot due to the gameplay and voice acting.

I recently played and finished DOS1 and although the gameplay wasn’t as refined yet, the lore and plot seemed more consistent.

What bugged me the most was the missing characters and missed lore connections in dos2.

It seems that dos1 manages to connect to the overall lore and other games while dos2 breaks apart.

Where’s Zigzax?

Where’s the weaver of Time ( And how does she relate to the 7?),

Where’s Astrate? Wasn’t she the mother of source? If the Source came from a veil how does Astrate fit in? Was she an eternal?

Where is Zandalor?

What was the Void Dragon and why was there no mention of it or the Godbox? Was it an Agent of the God king?

In Dos1 the void wanted to Erase reality but in dos2 the Void wanted to return and simply replace the current mortals.

Where is Icara?

Jahan appears in dos2 as he is immortal still hunting Demons but what happened with Hiraka?

What happened with the two Generals from DOS1? They were mentioned to be demigods and that they grew a romance at the end of DOS1 but what happened then? Did they stop being significant to history to the point they weren’t even mentioned centuries later?

Why didn’t the 7 intervene in Dos1 as they did in dos2 if reality itself was at the brink of erasure.

Wasn’t Source cleansed by Astrate at the end of DOS1? If so why were there still evil Sorceress in Dos2?

What happened to all the Imps and Goblins?
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Avaneratox Mar 15, 2021 @ 11:17am 
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.
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Senki Mar 15, 2021 @ 11:53am 
Yeah the story is basically remade in dos2 not really a continuation. That's why people keep saying that you don't need to play the first one before 2.

Also dos2's story is happening way after dos1 so only immortal characters like Jahan are still alive. Either way a lot of plot holes between the 2 and imo it's better that they remade it, they made the void more interesting.
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DaniTheHero Mar 15, 2021 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by Senki:
Yeah the story is basically remade in dos2 not really a continuation. That's why people keep saying that you don't need to play the first one before 2.

Also dos2's story is happening way after dos1 so only immortal characters like Jahan are still alive. Either way a lot of plot holes between the 2 and imo it's better that they remade it, they made the void more interesting.

Characters like Zigzax and Zandalor appear in games later in the timeline ( divinity 2).
They are only absent in dos2
DaniTheHero Mar 15, 2021 @ 12:13pm 
Originally posted by Avaneratox:
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.

If the lore is so easily broken in their own ip, how faithful is bg3 to the originals?
Avaneratox Mar 15, 2021 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Originally posted by Avaneratox:
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.

If the lore is so easily broken in their own ip, how faithful is bg3 to the originals?

I suppose the illithids from Wizards of the Coast (c) will prevent Larian Studios from free and creative approach in some points which always was a feature of all their games ))
Last edited by Avaneratox; Mar 15, 2021 @ 12:34pm
Yojo0o Mar 15, 2021 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Originally posted by Avaneratox:
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.

If the lore is so easily broken in their own ip, how faithful is bg3 to the originals?

So far, it's a completely different story that takes place over a hundred years later. Which makes sense, seeing as how the timeline of the forgotten Realms has progressed over a hundred years since the events of BG1/BG2/TOB, and TOB concluded that entire story. BG3 was never going to be a direct story sequel to TOB.
Razorblade Mar 15, 2021 @ 7:48pm 
Originally posted by Avaneratox:
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.
Having experience with all 6 Divinity games, I would say Larian is pretty consistent with their lore. They're no stranger to adding new details to the story, such as the existence of Alexander, but they are generally careful with cleanup as to not ruin the lore of their older games (such as killing off Alexander to explain why he is not in Divinity 2).

The misconception that Larian retconned a bunch of stuff for D:OS2 come from the early days of D:OS2 when players didn't understand its placement in the Divinity timeline, as well as not understanding why Lucian was dead 50 years early. Obviously anyone who finishes the game can work out what's going on, but the rumor was already prolific by the time anyone actually finished the game.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Zigzax?
Stranded somewhere on Rivellon because he gave Lucian his teleporter pyramids during Divine Divinity, and Lucian never gave them back. He shows up in Broken Valley 50 years after D:OS2 in Divintiy 2. Wherever he was, all we know is it wasn't Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Zigzax?
Where’s the weaver of Time ( And how does she relate to the 7?),
The Weaver of Time is a lesser god (or some kind of spirit). There are hundreds of smalltime gods in Divinity lore, and I don't think they all have to do with the Seven. "God" in Divinity generally just means a somewhat powerful, extra-planar spirit.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Astrate? Wasn’t she the mother of source? If the Source came from a veil how does Astrate fit in? Was she an eternal?
Astarte is the Goddess of Source, but that doesn't necessarily mean she created it. My best guess is she taught mortals how to use it. I doubt she's an Eternal; probably just a generic spirit. The only Eternals who didn't become Voidwoken were Fane, his daughter, the Seven, and debatably the Lord of Chaos and the God King.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where is Zandalor?
Hiding out, probably. He's a pretty well-known Sourceror, so the Divine Order wouldn't take very kindly to him. Even if they did accept him, or somehow not know he was a Sourceror, Zandalor lives in or around Areloth in most Divinity games, which is not near Reaper's Coast. As Lucian did not inform Zandalor of his plans, as far as I'm aware, he wouldn't really have any reason to be in Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What was the Void Dragon and why was there no mention of it or the Godbox? Was it an Agent of the God king?
The Void is effectively a plane of pure entropy. The Void Dragon is a manifestation of that entropy summoned by the Conduit and her people. Considering the Void Dragon fight happens at the End of Time, and not on Rivellon, it's not like anyone knew that it happened other than the few observers of the event. Recall at the end of D:OS1, the Order of Source Hunters are very skeptical about the two Source Hunters' reports, so I doubt the battle ever made it into any official record. Not to mention, the battle happened several centuries before D:OS2, so even if it was recorded, pretty much everyone would have forgotten it. The Void Dragon isn't an agent of the God King (in fact, it's more of a force of nature than a sentient being). The God King rules everything within the Void. He doesn't actually have any control over the plane itself. It's his prison, not his servant.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
In Dos1 the void wanted to Erase reality but in dos2 the Void wanted to return and simply replace the current mortals.
In D:OS1, when people refer to "The Void" they are talking about the plane of existence (or nonexistence, more accurately). In D:OS2, when people say "The Void," they are talking about the occupants of the Void, aka the Voidwoken, not the place itself. Regardless, the plane has no will of its own; the Conduit tries make the Void consume existence, whereas the Voidwoken are simply trying to escape the Void.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where is Icara?
Who knows? If she's still even alive, she's not in Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What happened with the two Generals from DOS1? They were mentioned to be demigods and that they grew a romance at the end of DOS1 but what happened then? Did they stop being significant to history to the point they weren’t even mentioned centuries later?
Dead, probably. They gave up their immortality when they reincarnated into humans before D:OS1.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Why didn’t the 7 intervene in Dos1 as they did in dos2 if reality itself was at the brink of erasure.
The Seven seemingly can't exert their influence on the world (or choose not to), except through champions. As the two Source Hunters were already doing fine on their own, I don't see why the Seven would give up any of their greedily horded power to help.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Wasn’t Source cleansed by Astrate at the end of DOS1? If so why were there still evil Sorceress in Dos2?
Source is just life energy. It can be used for good or for evil. The force itself has no alignment.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What happened to all the Imps and Goblins?
By Divinity 2, most Imps are living in tribal communities, so I'm pretty sure they're just not accepted in polite society, hence why we don't really see any in D:OS2. The Orcs are on the brink of extinction by D:OS2, and I believe their last holdout was Rogvir's Temple on the Forgotten Isle, which was destroyed by the Black Ring. So they're all dead, in essence.
Last edited by Razorblade; Mar 15, 2021 @ 8:59pm
landos95 Apr 9, 2024 @ 1:14am 
Originally posted by Razorblade:
Originally posted by Avaneratox:
How old is Ifan? Et cetera...

As far as I know Larian never mantains the integrity of Rivellon's lore.
Having experience with all 6 Divinity games, I would say Larian is pretty consistent with their lore. They're no stranger to adding new details to the story, such as the existence of Alexander, but they are generally careful with cleanup as to not ruin the lore of their older games (such as killing off Alexander to explain why he is not in Divinity 2).

The misconception that Larian retconned a bunch of stuff for D:OS2 come from the early days of D:OS2 when players didn't understand its placement in the Divinity timeline, as well as not understanding why Lucian was dead 50 years early. Obviously anyone who finishes the game can work out what's going on, but the rumor was already prolific by the time anyone actually finished the game.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Zigzax?
Stranded somewhere on Rivellon because he gave Lucian his teleporter pyramids during Divine Divinity, and Lucian never gave them back. He shows up in Broken Valley 50 years after D:OS2 in Divintiy 2. Wherever he was, all we know is it wasn't Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Zigzax?
Where’s the weaver of Time ( And how does she relate to the 7?),
The Weaver of Time is a lesser god (or some kind of spirit). There are hundreds of smalltime gods in Divinity lore, and I don't think they all have to do with the Seven. "God" in Divinity generally just means a somewhat powerful, extra-planar spirit.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where’s Astrate? Wasn’t she the mother of source? If the Source came from a veil how does Astrate fit in? Was she an eternal?
Astarte is the Goddess of Source, but that doesn't necessarily mean she created it. My best guess is she taught mortals how to use it. I doubt she's an Eternal; probably just a generic spirit. The only Eternals who didn't become Voidwoken were Fane, his daughter, the Seven, and debatably the Lord of Chaos and the God King.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where is Zandalor?
Hiding out, probably. He's a pretty well-known Sourceror, so the Divine Order wouldn't take very kindly to him. Even if they did accept him, or somehow not know he was a Sourceror, Zandalor lives in or around Areloth in most Divinity games, which is not near Reaper's Coast. As Lucian did not inform Zandalor of his plans, as far as I'm aware, he wouldn't really have any reason to be in Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What was the Void Dragon and why was there no mention of it or the Godbox? Was it an Agent of the God king?
The Void is effectively a plane of pure entropy. The Void Dragon is a manifestation of that entropy summoned by the Conduit and her people. Considering the Void Dragon fight happens at the End of Time, and not on Rivellon, it's not like anyone knew that it happened other than the few observers of the event. Recall at the end of D:OS1, the Order of Source Hunters are very skeptical about the two Source Hunters' reports, so I doubt the battle ever made it into any official record. Not to mention, the battle happened several centuries before D:OS2, so even if it was recorded, pretty much everyone would have forgotten it. The Void Dragon isn't an agent of the God King (in fact, it's more of a force of nature than a sentient being). The God King rules everything within the Void. He doesn't actually have any control over the plane itself. It's his prison, not his servant.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
In Dos1 the void wanted to Erase reality but in dos2 the Void wanted to return and simply replace the current mortals.
In D:OS1, when people refer to "The Void" they are talking about the plane of existence (or nonexistence, more accurately). In D:OS2, when people say "The Void," they are talking about the occupants of the Void, aka the Voidwoken, not the place itself. Regardless, the plane has no will of its own; the Conduit tries make the Void consume existence, whereas the Voidwoken are simply trying to escape the Void.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Where is Icara?
Who knows? If she's still even alive, she's not in Reaper's Coast.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What happened with the two Generals from DOS1? They were mentioned to be demigods and that they grew a romance at the end of DOS1 but what happened then? Did they stop being significant to history to the point they weren’t even mentioned centuries later?
Dead, probably. They gave up their immortality when they reincarnated into humans before D:OS1.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Why didn’t the 7 intervene in Dos1 as they did in dos2 if reality itself was at the brink of erasure.
The Seven seemingly can't exert their influence on the world (or choose not to), except through champions. As the two Source Hunters were already doing fine on their own, I don't see why the Seven would give up any of their greedily horded power to help.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Wasn’t Source cleansed by Astrate at the end of DOS1? If so why were there still evil Sorceress in Dos2?
Source is just life energy. It can be used for good or for evil. The force itself has no alignment.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
What happened to all the Imps and Goblins?
By Divinity 2, most Imps are living in tribal communities, so I'm pretty sure they're just not accepted in polite society, hence why we don't really see any in D:OS2. The Orcs are on the brink of extinction by D:OS2, and I believe their last holdout was Rogvir's Temple on the Forgotten Isle, which was destroyed by the Black Ring. So they're all dead, in essence.
I know I’m late but thanks for the lengthy reply I didn’t even know there were 6 games 💀
OldMemes.biz Jul 15, 2024 @ 12:22am 
Trying to theorycraft real continuity between all the Source-centric Larian titles is a waste of time considering Larian themselves don't care. Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity sure. Those two and Dragon Knight Saga (Divinity 2) sure. Dragon Commander? So far in the past that it doesn't matter. DOS1? Also far enough in the past where it can be handwaved. DOS2 to DOS1? Just no. DOS 2 to Divine/Beyond/Dragon Knight? Well, Lucian is like a completely different person, and let's just say both DOS and DOS2 always felt to me like games that did not start as being in the Source universe, and were forced in to being so both midway through their developments. Anything that really ties to anything else has a tacked-on-at-the-last-minute feel. Like both times, DOS 1 and 2, Larian twice decided late stage that "Divinity" needs to be in the title and found the flimsiest ways to "justify" it only because they needed "Divinity" for people to be more inclined to buy a title in an IP that was already well received. In short; continuity took a back seat to marketing.

Just treat Divine/Beyond/Dragon Knight Saga as its own trilogy. Then treat DOS1 and DOS2 each as their own independent thing, neither tied to the Divine/Beyond/Dragon trilogy nor to each other. Because otherwise there's too many inconsistencies that exist that don't exist by accident, but rather because consistency was never a factor to begin with. Forcing things doesn't change that.

Everyone has their "favorite" personally crafted timeline that "makes" things "fit." But it's all nothing but personal headcanon and theory.
Last edited by OldMemes.biz; Jul 15, 2024 @ 12:26am
BOT Jul 15, 2024 @ 12:34am 
this vid explains is very well


https://youtu.be/hnsAOO5iCbM?si=PEH9vJFQ6gBRA0qn
OldMemes.biz Jul 15, 2024 @ 12:41am 
It's still just players and fans having to do theory work Larian itself wasn't concerned with. It's not an answer.
BOT Jul 15, 2024 @ 12:58am 
Originally posted by OldMemes.biz:
It's still just players and fans having to do theory work Larian itself wasn't concerned with. It's not an answer.
you cleary did not pay any attention in the games if you cant get the lore togheter.. i played DOS 1 + 2 and divine divinity and even i get it.
the answer of razorblade is pretty much .. he nailed it.
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