Wits Archer = Ifan's best build

[YSeung]

Definitely

[squat_instructor]

The only thing unique to Ifan out of all you listed is wolf summon, that is strictly inferior to Incarnate, requires source AND takes a controllable summon slot

[YSeung]

Originally posted by squat_instructor:

The only thing unique to Ifan out of all you listed is wolf summon, that is strictly inferior to Incarnate, requires source AND takes a controllable summon slot

Well, I know what you know. If you're using Ifan as summoner, Incarnate is superior to wolf summon even if using pet power mode. Anyway you can use wolf useful especially with Glass cannon. And Wits archer can use Wolf summon useful in chapter 1 because there's no other choice and Glass cannon gives you enough AP.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by YSeung:

Man, I mean Wits archer is just Ifan himself. His character. And actually Wits archer is fit to his original abilities. In other words "Ingenious", "Encourage" and "Summon Ifan's Soul Wolf". Glass cannon wits archer makes them "viable" In chapter 1. That's the exact point. And you can also use Mask of the Shapeshifter for changing Ifan to elf and use Flesh sacrifice. You guys will find that wits archer can do a lot of things.

Right, but what about any of that makes it fit Ifan specifically? If you're just going to change him to an elf with the mask, why not just pick an elf? What does Ingenious or Encourage do that makes this the "best build" you can pick for him?

My point isn't whether this build works on him or not. The point I'm trying to figure out is why this is the build you're calling Ifan's "best" when there are simply better builds out there as well as very few reasons why Ifan works better for this build than others. Not that you've been too specific about what this build is all about in the first place.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by YSeung:

"Summon Ifan's Soul Wolf"

Wolf is arguably the worst source spell in the entire game, even for a summoner.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Originally posted by YSeung:

"Summon Ifan's Soul Wolf"

Wolf is arguably the worst source spell in the entire game, even for a summoner.

Definitely. It isn't worth making Ifan a summoner just for that. Summoner itself is the weakest end game build as well honestly. It can be strong early on because it scales to maximum power fast, but stops scaling pretty early as well so it falls off pretty hard in the late game. Still viable, just not nearly as strong as other builds.

[BIG E.]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Wolf is arguably the worst source spell in the entire game, even for a summoner.

Definitely. It isn't worth making Ifan a summoner just for that. Summoner itself is the weakest end game build as well honestly. It can be strong early on because it scales to maximum power fast, but stops scaling pretty early as well so it falls off pretty hard in the late game. Still viable, just not nearly as strong as other builds.

I specificly hate ifans wolf. That stupidly weak summon has decency to cost 3 AP and 1 SP.

[YSeung]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by YSeung:

Man, I mean Wits archer is just Ifan himself. His character. And actually Wits archer is fit to his original abilities. In other words "Ingenious", "Encourage" and "Summon Ifan's Soul Wolf". Glass cannon wits archer makes them "viable" In chapter 1. That's the exact point. And you can also use Mask of the Shapeshifter for changing Ifan to elf and use Flesh sacrifice. You guys will find that wits archer can do a lot of things.

Right, but what about any of that makes it fit Ifan specifically? If you're just going to change him to an elf with the mask, why not just pick an elf? What does Ingenious or Encourage do that makes this the "best build" you can pick for him?

My point isn't whether this build works on him or not. The point I'm trying to figure out is why this is the build you're calling Ifan's "best" when there are simply better builds out there as well as very few reasons why Ifan works better for this build than others. Not that you've been too specific about what this build is all about in the first place.

Because it goes well with Ifan. In chapter 1, go finess and wit at a 1:1 ratio, getting priority to most battles, and using the glass cannon talent, you will find that human's passive and active skill(ingenious and encourage) fit so well. You don't have to wear a shapeshifting mask. it's a matter of choice. And ifan's Wolf is viable in chapter 1 with 'Glass cannon' talent. Do you understand? And Glass cannon talent is good with wits build. So, Wits archer. And, it fits well with ifan's character concept.

[YSeung]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Definitely. It isn't worth making Ifan a summoner just for that. Summoner itself is the weakest end game build as well honestly. It can be strong early on because it scales to maximum power fast, but stops scaling pretty early as well so it falls off pretty hard in the late game. Still viable, just not nearly as strong as other builds.

I specificly hate ifans wolf. That stupidly weak summon has decency to cost 3 AP and 1 SP.

You don't have to use wolf after you get better option. But in chapter 1 you don't have a choice. And ifan's wolf with zero summoner skill is also usable in chapter 1 because it has Howl that taunt enemies. That's the point.

[Chaoslink]

Right, but you’re still using a lot of AP to summon it, AP that would probably be better off used just attacking. I suppose you can pre-summon it, but then you’re not always going to get the ideal spot for it. Its just not worth the bother.

[fulf]

'support' doesn't exist in this game as a dedicated role, everyone's a damage-dealer. even 'healers' are some of the best CCers in the game because of hydro

[YSeung]

Originally posted by fulf:

'support' doesn't exist in this game as a dedicated role, everyone's a damage-dealer. even 'healers' are some of the best CCers in the game because of hydro

Maybe I was wrong. Ifan's best build is summoner

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by YSeung:

Originally posted by fulf:

'support' doesn't exist in this game as a dedicated role, everyone's a damage-dealer. even 'healers' are some of the best CCers in the game because of hydro

Maybe I was wrong. Ifan's best build is summoner

Summoner though, doesn't really benefit from and specific character abilities/racials in any significant way though. Its not really better on anyone in particular moreso than anyone else. Its also a build with uneven scaling, being really good early on, but falling of hard in the late game. It literally goes form one of the strongest builds to one of the weakest. So calling it the "best" in any regard is a bit weird.