Not beating Dallis Fight on the Ship

[blueberrywizard]

Yep, I refuse to to lower the difficulty (classic), even though some of the fights were pretty hard up to that point, I ran out of Ressurection scrolls. This fight is just completely unwinnable with my current party of Lvl 8. Either I missed some crucial quests on the island or didn't do what was necessary somewhere, this fight is pretty much unbeatable. I understand why this game is so hyped, it's good. But I guess I suck at the games too much to beat this game. I have watched some guides on how to do it, but I don't have mass corpse explosion and I don't have teleport on every character. Either way, sadly this game goes into my "Too Hard" folder. Which is fine, just wanted to vent a little. Cheers.

[Yojo0o]

So is this purely a vent, or do you want help?

You don't actually fight Dallis there, you just need to defend Malady for a few turns. Most of the enemies are missing one armor type, making them easy to crowd control. Special moves or quadruple teleport aren't required at all.

[blueberrywizard]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

So is this purely a vent, or do you want help?

You don't actually fight Dallis there, you just need to defend Malady for a few turns. Most of the enemies are missing one armor type, making them easy to crowd control. Special moves or quadruple teleport aren't required at all.

More of a vent. I already uninstalled the game. Once I realized that the game is going to get A LOT harder from that point onward, I had completely lost motivation to try and butt my head against the brick wall. In regards to the fight I realize that I have to protect Malady, excpet I have no means of doing so. My party abilities are pretty bare-bones, so nothing I can do excpet to maybe teleport her away. And I couldn't kill any of the enemies - either I have low DMG or whatever, not sure. In any case, this means that I have to start a New Game and pretty much follow guides, which I have no intention of doing, since I couldn't figure out how make a strong party naturally.

[Yojo0o]

Okay, good luck with your next game.

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by blueberrywizard:

More of a vent. I already uninstalled the game. Once I realized that the game is going to get A LOT harder from that point onward, I had completely lost motivation to try and butt my head against the brick wall. In regards to the fight I realize that I have to protect Malady, excpet I have no means of doing so. My party abilities are pretty bare-bones, so nothing I can do excpet to maybe teleport her away. And I couldn't kill any of the enemies - either I have low DMG or whatever, not sure. In any case, this means that I have to start a New Game and pretty much follow guides, which I have no intention of doing, since I couldn't figure out how make a strong party naturally.

The game doesn't really get a lot harder from there. There are only a few battles that are hard blockers to progress, with that being one of them. It's also the only one that you're not meant to win, so there is a purposefully overwhelming number of enemies.

The ship also has several merchants, so acquiring res scrolls, new equipment, and new skills shouldn't really be an issue. There's even a Respec Mirror if you want to redo your character's builds before the fight.

As for solutions, if you've picked up a Smoke Grenade or one of the ship's merchants has one on them, you can just toss that down on Malady and Bless the smoke for AoE invisibility.

[phenir]

You don't even have to win that fight, just stall like 4 rounds. Also did you not have a save before you got on the boat? Not even an autosave? You don't have to start over completely.

[Genitor]

well. If this is too hard to beat for you on classic level 8 you did something wrong, i would say. Luckily you can respec your entire party for free on the lady vengeance. May be helpful.

As a general tip: In this game crowd control and armour (physical and magical) are superimportant. So you wanna make sure your party can regenerate both armortypes (hydrosophinist, geomancer, having a shield equipped) and also brings some CCs.

In that particular fight you are talking about the most insane thing you can have is a character with the torturer-talent and worm-tremor (generally a very potent combo). Cause that lets you lock 5 enemies (4 of which are melee-guys) in place for 3 turns, forcing them to stand around for 3 turns (appart from throwing daggers and sometimes backlash (backlash is a bit weird; technically entangled should block backlash and most of the time it does but sometimes someone decides to ignore it... whatever).

[Chaoslink]

If you could get your hands on an empty grenade and have one of the Mind Maggot jars from the first act, you can make a charm grenade that'll instantly make three of the enemies there friendly for you and they'll do the work for you.

Its really not a hard game, though learning party composition it a huge part of it. Sword and board "tanks" and dedicated healers are big rookie mistakes for instance. Wouldn't take much from the community here to get you on track if you wanted to try again though.

[Lord Adorable]

Skill catastrophe.

[blueberrywizard]

My party had no way to regenerate armor of any type, and I obviously had no idea it was that important. As for respeccing, I don't quite see the point - since putting points into a skill tree doesn't actually grant any talents (as I understand it). And I am not sure where to get what skill books. As for grenades - I do have a jar of mind worms (no empty grenade though) and I do have a smoke grenade. But I have no Source points on any of my characters, excpet Fane who is not going to get anywhere near Malady in time to cast it on smoke. In any case, thanks for advice, but the game is too crushing for me. Skill issue, I guess.

[Genitor]

lol what? you think skillpoints dont matter? How about reading what investing skillpoints in a certain skill does? Forexample: Investing points into Warfare, Pyrokinetic and Aerothurge simply increases the damage for a certain element. Hydrosophist and Geomancer aswell and ontop they increase the gain of armour and healing. Necromancey grants lifeleech, Polymorph grants an attribute-point per level, huntsman increases damage at high ground etc, etc, It tells you what it does when you hover over it.

Skillbooks you get from vendors. You need to buy and read those (they vanish once read) and meet the skillrequirement. You can also find them or craft them but generally speaking you buy em.

Armour is important as you are immune to most CC (especially the nasty ones) as long as you have armour.

As for getting somewhere in time: Me personally i like to have at least 1 movementskill on every character. Thats surely not necessary but in some situations its really helpful. Also high ground is very important in this game and movementskills help you get highground.
To obtain a movementskill you either need 2 points in scoundrel, 2 in huntsman, 2 in polymorph or 2 in warfare. Usually at least one of these investemnts in skillpoints suite your build anyway so picking up a movementskill is fairly easy.

As for you not having a source-point: Didnt you find the endless source-tank in the ruin where you help Gareth? Kind of useful that thing. Act 2 has such a tank aswell btw. (mild Spoiler: in the basement of the Meistr, the mainquest leads you directly to it )

All in all it sounds as if you should load a savefile where you are still on the island. You need to get the hang of the game first. Actually its kind of a good news that you havent bought any skillbooks because that means you should have a substantial amount of gold left (hoepfully). Cause completely respeccing, like going down different skills etc. is actually not that easy at this point in game because you probably cant afford the skillbooks for your new builds.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by blueberrywizard:

My party had no way to regenerate armor of any type, and I obviously had no idea it was that important. As for respeccing, I don't quite see the point - since putting points into a skill tree doesn't actually grant any talents (as I understand it). And I am not sure where to get what skill books. As for grenades - I do have a jar of mind worms (no empty grenade though) and I do have a smoke grenade. But I have no Source points on any of my characters, excpet Fane who is not going to get anywhere near Malady in time to cast it on smoke. In any case, thanks for advice, but the game is too crushing for me. Skill issue, I guess.

I mean, again, if you ever want to pick it up again I'd be more than happy to offer help to get yourself going. You have access to at least some of the skills through vendors on the ship and infinite free respecs (which can help "pay" for them) through the mirror on the ship. It doesn't take too long to tweak a team into fighting shape and seriously, this is actually a pretty easy game once you understand the basics.

So if you ever want to try again, just post something on the forum here and the community will be happy to help. Not much toxicity to be had here unlike other forums.

[Danson]

"I refuse to lower the difficulty"
"The game is too crushing for me"

Lol ok.

[Amix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgrANWp504c

[Bauti]

You said it yourself,skill issue'd

[blueberrywizard]

Thanks for the advice, I might come back to this game. But that is unlikely.