Lohse and Saheila? (Minor Spoilers)

[DWCastle]

When you meet Saheila in the cave in Fort Joy and she tells Lohse she knows the force inside her, can you actually fight the force and accomplish the persuasion check? Or are you just forced into fighting everyone in the cave? I'm running lone wolf with 22 intelligence and 1 persuasion and it's doesn't seem to help. Is the roll is unbeatable or do I need more persuasion?

[RalphWiggum13]

Had the same problem a few days ago. As far as I could tell (coming back repeatedly to try again before the end of Act 1) you can't overcome the force inside her. Personally I see it as a bit of a lore thing, with the scene really showing how strong the entity is/how little control Lohse actually has

[Efesell]

It is two rather difficult checks if I recall so it's probably possible but unreasonable for most builds.

[Schutzengel]

You can suceed the first check with ~16 stat and the second with ~14 stat. Both checks award XP but in the end the evil wins (Kill the elf! Kill the elf! Kill the elf!, -50 attitude to all cave inhabitants). The Pyromatic spell Peace of Mind helps in all persuasion checks, raises St/Fin/Int by 1+, Wits by 1+++ and clears all Mind debuffs. Food helps too. Cast Peace of Mind, eat a fish (+1 Int) and raise your level to 3 and you should easily have the stats needed.

[DWCastle]

Alright, thanks for the assistance! Yeah, I figured you could pass the check because they didn't give you a check when Lohse broke the lute. I'll get all the cave quests done before starting the conversation. Kind of a bummer that there is no difference even if you pass it.

[Efesell]

Note that the cave will turn hostile but if you use your party to beat the snot out of Lohse they calm down after she does. It's much easier than when she is a party member since if Lohse is your main you don't lose player control and can just have her wait to be subdued.

[Schutzengel]

A quick advice: Dont free the caged elf (Amryo?) yet. He moves to the caves when freed and gets the same -50 attitude when Lohse is fighting Saheila. You have to gift him money / items to finish his quest. Also play hide and seek with the boy running around to enter the Withermore area. If he leaves the main caves you dont get -50 attitude for him (?). Succeeding the two checks does not lower the -50 to attitude for all inhabitants.

[Synde]

Attempted the intelligence check with INT 23, and still failed. Has anyone been able to clear this check with Intelligence?

Also have attempted and failed strength check with a STR of 14. I know that isn't really that high, but someone above mentioned 16 and 14 so I thought it worth mentioning.

This was all done with 1 point in persuasion. (Persuasion does make these checks easier, right?)

[KracKils]

2 points of persuasion is needed.

[Beagle]

even you after persuade successfully twice, the elves will still fight you.

[ppaladin123]

Thw awful thing is that I left behind some poison on the floor from that fight. Later I saved Armyo and he walked into the cave and stood in it until he died. Everyone went hostile and I was forced to kill Sahelia and the others. Note: this has important ramifications later in the game.

[Chaoslink]

Heh, Necro thread.

Still, I feel the compulsive need to make a correction as this was not common knowledge then and might make some confusion now...

The relevent stat, INT, STR, whatever isn't important in persuasion unless the persuasion skill needed to pass the check is equal to the difficulty of the check itself. Your best stat might be the hardest response to pass and having a lower persuasion fails it instantly. It can be better to pick an option with a stat you have nothing invested in in some cases as the check requires a lower PER skill. If you have 3 PER and the check requires 4, having 1,000,000 of that stat would still fail the check.

As long as you only invest in one civil skill, which you should never split them only focus one per character, your PER should always be high enough to pass checks of a relevent level. Being a Lizard makes this especially true.