How are the Non-Incarnate pets?

[glythe]

Anyone using a primary summoner play around with fire slug/bone widow/dragon/condor?

I realize you can only have one summon out and I was wondering if any of these compete with the Incarnate. Do they get much bigger at summoning 10 justl ike the Incarnate?

[Horace Pinker]

Originally posted by glythe:

Overall it sounds like they really messed up with the summoning.

Summoning should be for the incarnate and all the other skill related summons should be bound to the respective tree (scoundrel for wind up, bone widow for nerco, etc). That would have made a necromancer able to have a cool pet, but a very different pet from a summoner.

technically, those are summons so it does make sense that they are tied to a summoner skill, especially since including with gear and the talent for extra points we can invest afew into summon tree too to supplement a build. If they gave everybody a very strong pet, it would be pretty bland and an obvious pick. I think it was done this way to balance it out a bit, to make them have to pop some points into summone ror to make a summoner build with one of thos eother trees in mind ona future playthrough.

[glythe]

You could just make the other class summons neat with a small niche power. But considering they made the incarnate pet so powerful you dont use the other pets anyway. Also the fire slug is a source power...... wtf.

[edmek55555]

Originally posted by glythe:

You could just make the other class summons neat with a small niche power. But considering they made the incarnate pet so powerful you dont use the other pets anyway. Also the fire slug is a source power...... wtf.

Bone widow is easily the strongest pet so I recommend using that when available. The incarnate is solid though

[Cheese Mogul]

Where do u find the inner demon summon?

[PastaMonstA]

Originally posted by The Illustrious Legend 27:

Where do u find the inner demon summon?

act 2 from a familiar face. wont spoil too much. is a special quest reward. it just summons ontop of you

[Phantom]

Artillery Plant - Mediocre for the cost (source skill)
Raise Bone Widow - Mediocre - Weaker than incarnate
Bloated Corpse - Subpar - Limited use
Summon Oily Blob - Weak
Summon Fire Slug - Mediocre for the cost (source skill)
Wind-Up Toy - Haven't used
Cat Familiar - Weak, perhaps if he wasn't on a summoner he might have some use.
Conjure Incarnate - Bread and butter - Versitile and powerful, a tank too
Elemental Totem - IMO not worth the ap to cast
Dragonling - Do not yet have
Condor - Worse than incarnate, but mobile with skills
Inner Demon - Do not yet have
Ifan's Soul Wolf - Didn't take him as a member so don't have

[PastaMonstA]

inner demon doesnt work as a normal summon. it sits on top of you and attacks things

[glythe]

I want to point out raise bloated corpse is incredibly powerful for 1 AP in the first act . On my necro with no summon skill it did a ton of physical damage when I exploded it. Usually you get 1 swing too which is free damage (not much mid way through but some > none).

[edmek55555]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Artillery Plant - Mediocre for the cost (source skill)
Raise Bone Widow - Mediocre - Weaker than incarnate
Bloated Corpse - Subpar - Limited use
Summon Oily Blob - Weak
Summon Fire Slug - Mediocre for the cost (source skill)
Wind-Up Toy - Haven't used
Cat Familiar - Weak, perhaps if he wasn't on a summoner he might have some use.
Conjure Incarnate - Bread and butter - Versitile and powerful, a tank too
Elemental Totem - IMO not worth the ap to cast
Dragonling - Do not yet have
Condor - Worse than incarnate, but mobile with skills
Inner Demon - Do not yet have
Ifan's Soul Wolf - Didn't take him as a member so don't have

The bone widow has such more Hp and hits for much more physical damage than the incarnate. Definitely not mediocre by any means. The best summon all around especially considering it has a clock and dagger esque teleport. If you give it magic shell its unstoppable.

Bloated corpse Id say is less of a summon and more of a 1 ap physical nuke and it is tremendous at its job. It is situational for sure bit very good when it comes into play

[Drakilian]

Thing is, bloated corpse takes up the slot that an incarnate or (if you incorrectly prefer) a widow could be in

I find the corpse's explosion doesn't scale well and two attacks (or even one attack in some cases) from the other summons deals more damage. Also, you know, they keep on keeping on afterwards.

[edmek55555]

Originally posted by Drakilian:

Thing is, bloated corpse takes up the slot that an incarnate or (if you incorrectly prefer) a widow could be in

I find the corpse's explosion doesn't scale well and two attacks (or even one attack in some cases) from the other summons deals more damage. Also, you know, they keep on keeping on afterwards.

Have you used the bone widow? 250 physical damage per hit at level 11. 5O0 damage a turn with an ability to teleport to higher ground to reach range targets if necessary.

Incarnate at the same level with power infusion does about 140 per hit which is about 280 per turn. The duration is longer but bone widow normally kills more in 5 turns singlehandedly than the incarnate can do in its full duration not to mention the incarnates 10 turns are very rarely necessary.

Incarnate is good but nowhere near the level of the bone widow

[glythe]

Originally posted by Drakilian:

I find the corpse's explosion doesn't scale well and two attacks (or even one attack in some cases) from the other summons deals more damage. Also, you know, they keep on keeping on afterwards.

Sadly I think the bloated corpse is like a "starter skill" Useful at first but fails later in the game.

[edmek55555]

Originally posted by glythe:

Originally posted by Drakilian:

I find the corpse's explosion doesn't scale well and two attacks (or even one attack in some cases) from the other summons deals more damage. Also, you know, they keep on keeping on afterwards.

Sadly I think the bloated corpse is like a "starter skill" Useful at first but fails later in the game.

I dont think it is that. Its just most people dont understand it. For 1 ap you get ode of the highest damage physical aoe attacks in the game. Granted bone widow does more single target that is 3 ap. Incarnate does similar single target damage with 2 hits but it costs 2 ap and is outclassed by the bone widow.

Its all about perspective. A 1 ap aoe physical nuke is a great deal to me

[glythe]

It isn't worth the slot later on in the game... that's my opinion.

I am planning on playing a game with a friend where we have at least 2 summoners in the party. So I will have more feedback to offer soon ™.

[darlliu]

Bone widow is very powerful regardless. The reason is that you want multiple summons so you are never on cooldown and can sacrifice your summon if need be. I find that enemies tend to avoid CC'ing summons and go for your characters so even though the bone widow is quite clumsy a lot of the times I can still do good damage with it. Besides it's huge so it severs as a good roadblock.