Heal vs restore health

[rocketdrive]

Is there a difference?

[Ashera]

I think it's to do with undead.
Test it on Fane. Use a "heal" see if it damages him. use a "restore health" see if it damages him.

If it's not consistent there, I can't think of any reason there would be 2 descriptions for the same thing. perhaps simply different phrasing used by different devs during development.

[rocketdrive]

Originally posted by Ashera:

I think it's to do with undead.
Test it on Fane. Use a "heal" see if it damages him. use a "restore health" see if it damages him.

If it's not consistent there, I can't think of any reason there would be 2 descriptions for the same thing. perhaps simply different phrasing used by different devs during development.

The only consistent thing I've found was the necromancy skills can heal undead, but any skill that says restore OR heal that ISNT directly necromancy deals damage to undead. I think this is too restrictive. Making heal damage undead is neat, making EVERY heal spell damage undead just restricts how you can build.

[Dissodant]

Originally posted by rocketdrive:

Originally posted by Ashera:

I think it's to do with undead.
Test it on Fane. Use a "heal" see if it damages him. use a "restore health" see if it damages him.

If it's not consistent there, I can't think of any reason there would be 2 descriptions for the same thing. perhaps simply different phrasing used by different devs during development.

The only consistent thing I've found was the necromancy skills can heal undead, but any skill that says restore OR heal that ISNT directly necromancy deals damage to undead. I think this is too restrictive. Making heal damage undead is neat, making EVERY heal spell damage undead just restricts how you can build.

Thats kind of the point.. undead only heal from poison

[iPrecision]

Ive quite enjoyed playing as undead thus far. 40hrs in on a Fane playthrough.

[rn_archl0rd]

Fane also heals from eating body parts like an elf. He doesn't get the skills from the parts unless he has the shapeshifter mask on as an elf.

[Skatters]

Necromancy skills (bloodsucker, mosquito swarm) and Poison will Heal the undead.

Things that restore health, i.e. potions, or hydro spells, will damage them.

I think there is a status that can beinflicted that causes you take damage from necro heals too... though could be recalling that wrong. I.e. sometimes bloodsucker will harm you if your diseased... or some such. So keep an eye on peoples ailments.

[BlazeRomulus]

Originally posted by Skattotter:

Necromancy skills (bloodsucker, mosquito swarm) and Poison will Heal the undead.

Things that restore health, i.e. potions, or hydro spells, will damage them.

I think there is a status that can beinflicted that causes you take damage from necro heals too... though could be recalling that wrong. I.e. sometimes bloodsucker will harm you if your diseased... or some such. So keep an eye on peoples ailments.

I know you can heal through decaying with normal necro hits, not sure about spells tho.

[Skatters]

Yeah thats whats confusing me.. will have to go check - the regen works, But I'm sure I've hurt/killed people with Bloosucker, for example, when it'd usually work on the undead (and I hadnt paid attention to their afflictions). Will have to try it again and see. Pretty sure though.

[Stabbey]

Necromancy and its associated skills are exempt from the "healing hurts undead" thing. This also applies to living characters inflicted with the decaying status, which is good to know.

[Skatters]

It might be a different status ailment to 'decay' - have defintiely had necro heals (bloodsucker) cause harm to allies. Will have to try and find it...

[Ashera]

Decaying causes abilities like Bloodsucker / Oil Carapiece to cause damage to your ally.

Decaying will cause poison / necro heals (mosquito swarm, blood sucker etc) to harm you.

The default % heal from necromancy skill, can never hurt you.

The summoning ability that heals/gives m-armor based on number of allies will WRECK the undeads face into the ground... don't use it on Fane.

All hydro spells will harm undead (cyro stasis is especially dangerous lol)

Huntsman first aid will harm undead.

Cleanse wounds also hurts undead.

That's all I managed to play around with... So far everything that isn't poison/necro = damage. Decay seems like a weird debuff for undead. I think they should be immune to it, because... well, they are undead and should really forever be decaying. Perhaps have it effect them differently to the living.

[iPrecision]

Originally posted by Ashera:

The summoning ability that heals/gives m-armor based on number of allies will WRECK the undeads face into the ground... don't use it on Fane.

Can confirm it will obliterate him XD

[Gamebot]

Originally posted by Ashera:

Decaying causes abilities like Bloodsucker / Oil Carapiece to cause damage to your ally.

Decaying will cause poison / necro heals (mosquito swarm, blood sucker etc) to harm you.

The default % heal from necromancy skill, can never hurt you.

The summoning ability that heals/gives m-armor based on number of allies will WRECK the undeads face into the ground... don't use it on Fane.

All hydro spells will harm undead (cyro stasis is especially dangerous lol)

Huntsman first aid will harm undead.

Cleanse wounds also hurts undead.

That's all I managed to play around with... So far everything that isn't poison/necro = damage. Decay seems like a weird debuff for undead. I think they should be immune to it, because... well, they are undead and should really forever be decaying. Perhaps have it effect them differently to the living.

Sounds about right.

Originally posted by Ashera:

The summoning ability that heals/gives m-armor based on number of allies will WRECK the undeads face into the ground... don't use it on Fane.

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