Divinity: Original Sin 2

Divinity: Original Sin 2

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Gracey Face Oct 30, 2020 @ 2:44am
Ending question. Spoilers of course.
I haven't finished the game myself so try not to spoil me, but I want to side with the silent king because all of the information I have been given so far suggests that he is actually the good guy. Because I think he's the good guy I took the oath or whatever it is called.

I want to side with him at the end but I don't want it to be because this magical oath has compelled my character to do it or anything like that. If I use a swornbreaker to un-oath myself, can I still side with him or does the game treat you swornbreakering yourself as if you're going against him?
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Mrvecz Oct 30, 2020 @ 1:47pm 
Silent King... you mean God King ?
Yes, if you use swornbreaker he cannot force you to do anything. But this is permament decision and he will hate you for enternity for it.

But God King is not a good guy, even if you look at this misfortune and the backstab from the Seven.

I could make a large of list of why he is bad and even the Seven look as reasonable individuals when compared to him.
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Gracey Face Oct 30, 2020 @ 2:26pm 
Originally posted by Mrvecz:
Silent King... you mean God King ?
Yes, if you use swornbreaker he cannot force you to do anything. But this is permament decision and he will hate you for enternity for it.

But God King is not a good guy, even if you look at this misfortune and the backstab from the Seven.

All the info I have at this point in the game is that he told Fane not to meddle with powers he didn't understand, Fane ignored him and went to the 7, the 7 went mad with power and massacred everyone else and now the god king is trying to put an end to them.

He is a good guy. Might be other things that are revealed later but... I mean Amadia herself gloated about committing genocide, it's going to take a lot for the god king to be worse than that. But like I said I'd rather not be spoiled.
Mrvecz Oct 30, 2020 @ 3:11pm 
Its hard to discuss the God King (And how bad he is) without spoiling but wait for the ending, since siding with him creates an entirely different ending.

The Seven are also bunch of tyrants, dont get me wrong. But God King is worse.
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Razorblade Oct 30, 2020 @ 6:59pm 
You can still bring about the God King's will even if you're not Sworn, but you get a different ending than if you are Sworn. To be vague, serving the God King in the former way nets your character a "negative" ending, while doing so while Sworn nets you a "positive" ending.
Gracey Face Oct 31, 2020 @ 2:16am 
Originally posted by Razorblade:
You can still bring about the God King's will even if you're not Sworn, but you get a different ending than if you are Sworn. To be vague, serving the God King in the former way nets your character a "negative" ending, while doing so while Sworn nets you a "positive" ending.

Damn. Guess I am going to stay sworn then. The [Sworn] dialogue is all annoying though and implying that my char isn't acting of their own will which is why I was asking... RIP me I guess.
Mrvecz Oct 31, 2020 @ 3:27am 
Originally posted by Instruction Manuel:
Originally posted by Razorblade:
You can still bring about the God King's will even if you're not Sworn, but you get a different ending than if you are Sworn. To be vague, serving the God King in the former way nets your character a "negative" ending, while doing so while Sworn nets you a "positive" ending.

Damn. Guess I am going to stay sworn then. The [Sworn] dialogue is all annoying though and implying that my char isn't acting of their own will which is why I was asking... RIP me I guess.

You signed up the deal with the Devil and these are the consequences. You traded your freedom and will for power. Oh and because you are an undead, you will serve the King for enternity.

Gracey Face Oct 31, 2020 @ 3:42am 
Originally posted by Mrvecz:
Originally posted by Instruction Manuel:

Damn. Guess I am going to stay sworn then. The [Sworn] dialogue is all annoying though and implying that my char isn't acting of their own will which is why I was asking... RIP me I guess.

You signed up the deal with the Devil and these are the consequences. You traded your freedom and will for power. Oh and because you are an undead, you will serve the King for enternity.

There was never any mentions of freedom or will in the conversation or any previous conversations. The conversation actually revolved around trying to redeem yourself for your failure which kind of implies willfull action.

Not sure where you're getting this "gave your freedom and will to the devil" malarkey from... Closest I can see is where the eternal tells you that you must "do what the god king demands when the time comes" but that's kind of to be expected considering my history is causing an apocalypse for second guessing him. If I were a puppet he wouldn't need to tell me to obey, I'd just obey.
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Mrvecz Oct 31, 2020 @ 5:07am 
Originally posted by Instruction Manuel:
Originally posted by Mrvecz:

There was never any mentions of freedom or will in the conversation or any previous conversations. The conversation actually revolved around trying to redeem yourself for your failure which kind of implies willfull action.

Not sure where you're getting this "gave your freedom and will to the devil" malarkey from... Closest I can see is where the eternal tells you that you must "do what the god king demands when the time comes" but that's kind of to be expected considering my history is causing an apocalypse for second guessing him. If I were a puppet he wouldn't need to tell me to obey, I'd just obey.

Well, do you know what happens if you defy the god king ?
It ranges from being cursed to instant death if you dont do as he says.

Oh and the "redemption", the god king ending is considered by the players as the evil ending of the game for a good reason. But you shall see


Gracey Face Oct 31, 2020 @ 5:16am 
Originally posted by Mrvecz:
Well, do you know what happens if you defy the god king ?
It ranges from being cursed to instant death if you dont do as he says.

I am aware of this due to being spoiled while looking for something else, but you don't actually have this info at the point in the story I am at. You actually have contradictory info, as two of the gaggle of people on your ship both defied the covenant and seem to have no negative repercussions from it (Succubus and Amputee).

That being said, at this point in the game you've already had the 7 try to kill you for failing so he's still the good guy comparatively even if he does end up threatening you with death.

Actually it just occurred to me. The first time you fail the 7 they immediately try to murder you meanwhile you see that the god king saves the assassin from the start of the game repeatedly despite her failing so that actually portrays the god king as merciful.

If Larian are trying to make this guy the baddie, they're not doing a very good job of it.
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Mrvecz Oct 31, 2020 @ 5:56am 
Originally posted by Instruction Manuel:
Originally posted by Mrvecz:
Well, do you know what happens if you defy the god king ?
It ranges from being cursed to instant death if you dont do as he says.


That being said, at this point in the game you've already had the 7 try to kill you for failing so he's still the good guy comparatively even if he does end up threatening you with death.

Actually it just occurred to me. The first time you fail the 7 they immediately try to murder you meanwhile you see that the god king saves the assassin from the start of the game repeatedly despite her failing so that actually portrays the god king as merciful.

If Larian are trying to make this guy the baddie, they're not doing a very good job of it.

He is more patient that the Seven, that is true, but usually if you keep failing him, he will make your actual death the most gruesome thing possible as he rips your soul apart, piece by piece, memory by memory. I'll say that you will meet the Assassin again in Arx but this time, God King has a new toy and the old one has outlived its usefulness.

But, wait for the ending.
Omertoso Oct 31, 2020 @ 6:00am 
oh boy, this is an interesting discussion. the morals of most characters and factions in this game are purposefully made so that you can pretty much ally with anyone without being the ultra super bad guy.

I'd love to talk more about it once you've finished the game, though.
Mrvecz Oct 31, 2020 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by Foreigner:
oh boy, this is an interesting discussion. the morals of most characters and factions in this game are purposefully made so that you can pretty much ally with anyone without being the ultra super bad guy.

I'd love to talk more about it once you've finished the game, though.
spoilers
Slavery (clearly stated) and genocide (Not stated in the game, but you can guess it, what to do with undesirables and weak individuals who cant do hard labour ?) is what i would assume a super bad guy would be remembered for. Its true that other endings arent objectively bad, either they are flawed in a way or its a short lived victory. The closest thing to good ending is non-origin godwoken (Due to no bias and grudges) becoming the divine if he/she was a good boy, but game doesnt tell us if he/she doesnt turn in to another Lucian so its still not a clean end, none of them are.

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Gracey Face Oct 31, 2020 @ 6:47am 
Originally posted by Mrvecz:
He is more patient that the Seven, that is true, but usually if you keep failing him, he will make your actual death the most gruesome thing possible as he rips your soul apart, piece by piece, memory by memory. I'll say that you will meet the Assassin again in Arx but this time, God King has a new toy and the old one has outlived its usefulness.

So he'll inflict on you the thing that your god both created the other races for and ordered you to do to everyone you meet because "You're a lion amongst sheep"..? (I beleive they all have that line.)

Again, if Larian are trying to make him the villain they seem to be doing a bad job.
Pyromus Oct 31, 2020 @ 6:49am 
You can keep telling yourself that he's "comparatively the good guy" but that's like saying Hitler was comparatively the good guy because Mussolini killed more innocents. They're both bad guys. "Comparatively" in here, I would say Lucian is the "good guy" by the end.


Gracey Face Oct 31, 2020 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Pyromus:
You can keep telling yourself that he's "comparatively the good guy" but that's like saying Hitler was comparatively the good guy because Mussolini killed more innocents. They're both bad guys. "Comparatively" in here, I would say Lucian is the "good guy" by the end.

I am not "telling myself" anything. I am using comparatively because people say that he is evil and I assume he is or is at least meant to be (I mean hell he is the "god king from the void", just the name alone tells you he is supposed to be evil). Problem is that you're not given any indication in the game that he is evil. Closest thing to an indication that he is evil is that he doesn't value life that much, except he values it more than all of the other divine agents you interact with so even there it falls flat.

As someone else said it seems like they're going for a shades of grey kind of approach where everyone is evil but once everyone's evil your struggle is kind of meaningless :D.
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