Lone wolf nerf in patch notes - someone explain

[You know my name.]

Lone Wolf nerfs (can't increase attributes and combat abilities past 40 or 10 respectively anymore).


Am i misunderstanding this, can you not put in more then 10 points overall and then itll get doubled to 20 still or is it implying you cant put in more then 5 points and the double will max at 10 on ability points? this seems like a severe hindrance more then anything or am i just stupid because now it seems you will basically be a jack of trades now with this limit.

[Bazinga]

A mod will fix it in a few days no doubt, you'll still power through the early game with quick access to higher skills but later on you will be no better than a char in a 4 man wondering what to dump skills/att into.

The fights will slow right down.

Sure you'll have more skills, but not enough AP to use them as effectively as a 4 man. It just doesn't make much sense...

LW needed a tone down sure but there are mods for that, guess since it's moved to console peasents who can't mod we just have to change it back ourselves.

[Gilgamesh]

Publicado originalmente por Ryanus:

A mod will fix it in a few days no doubt, you'll still power through the early game with quick access to higher skills but later on you will be no better than a char in a 4 man wondering what to dump skills/att into.

The fights will slow right down.

Sure you'll have more skills, but not enough AP to use them as effectively as a 4 man. It just doesn't make much sense...

LW needed a tone down sure but there are mods for that, guess since it's moved to console peasents who can't mod we just have to change it back ourselves.

Is not like you cant wipe the map still with double Arrow storm/Blood storm/Meteor storm + another storm of your choice. The game is very AP focused and with glass cannon + talents you have 8 + 1 flesh sacrifice + another 8 from time warp + another 2 from adrenaline + 2 from execution and your skills can cost 1 ap due to elemental affinity...

[You know my name.]

Publicado originalmente por LoL:

Publicado originalmente por Ryanus:

A mod will fix it in a few days no doubt, you'll still power through the early game with quick access to higher skills but later on you will be no better than a char in a 4 man wondering what to dump skills/att into.

The fights will slow right down.

Sure you'll have more skills, but not enough AP to use them as effectively as a 4 man. It just doesn't make much sense...

LW needed a tone down sure but there are mods for that, guess since it's moved to console peasents who can't mod we just have to change it back ourselves.

Is not like you cant wipe the map still with double Arrow storm/Blood storm/Meteor storm + another storm of your choice. The game is very AP focused and with glass cannon + talents you have 8 + 1 flesh sacrifice + another 8 from time warp + another 2 from adrenaline + 2 from execution and your skills can cost 1 ap due to elemental affinity...

You cant glass cannon with a lone wolf for one, secondly all the storms got nerfed as well. yes the game is heavily based on AP clearly being the bigger issue but thats not what they nerfed.

[Sadistical]

It's referring to attribute / talent trees.. so 40 in the attributes and only 10 in the talent tree!

[Yijuwarp]

lonewolf was so broken before you could play solo and kill the entire enemy party on your opening move. Why are you surprised it was nerfed?

[Crim]

no one is suprised that it was nerf, just that it was over nerfed. It is without a doubt worse than just taking a four man party as is . The modded nerfs for lone wolf were better and more fair than what the devs came up with >.>. Prolly just wait for a mod before I play through the game again lol.

[Qiox]

The game is in dire need of mods to make it hard enough to be interesting on Tactical. It certainly does not need mods to make the new lone wolf stronger than it is.

It was soloable with 1 character, without using lone wolf, on tactical before. And so far the DE version is noticably easier in the 1st Act. Hopefully their tuning of acts 3 and 4 are significant.

Otherwise, will have to wait for difficulty increasing mods to be made compatable with DE.

[Slynx Jewel]

don't forget the academy and other means to redistribute points to your main stat. lone wolves will be able to compensate the loss easily.
besides 40 int 40 wits and some con\mem is still better then what non lone wolf can achieve, while not being broken by having 100+ int or 70+ wits...

[You know my name.]

Oh sweet God I dont think people read everything. My issue is that it's literally over nerfed. There is literally no point in even grabbing the talent that gives you more attribute points esp late game it could have been balanced better and I'm quite sure they will add more patches later to balance it again and again.

[RichRuzz]

Any suggestions on a character to play as with "lone wolf"? Mostly because I don't like controlling a ton of characters in RPGs and just as myself and I wouldn't mind me plus a companion.

[You know my name.]

More then anything on constantly rebalancing or over nerfing I wish they had added the other combat skills that everyone wanted :/ didnt even get any new skills and over 45pages out of the 52 was all dialogue changes which is nice for story and roleplaying but I'll prbly just mod it again.

[You know my name.]

Publicado originalmente por RichRuzz:

Any suggestions on a character to play as with "lone wolf"? Mostly because I don't like controlling a ton of characters in RPGs and just as myself and I wouldn't mind me plus a companion.

I did the math on making a new character just for max lvl 20. You can literally max con wit and memory and a attribute state for damage and have points left over to throw in one you will never use. You can pretty much get all of the combat skills high enough to learn every skill of course you only have do much you can do a turn. Depends on what your wanting to play as thou still. Basically now you will be a jack of all trades but not a sole master of one. Can be helpful or hindering depends.

[RichRuzz]

Publicado originalmente por Caretaker:

Publicado originalmente por RichRuzz:

Any suggestions on a character to play as with "lone wolf"? Mostly because I don't like controlling a ton of characters in RPGs and just as myself and I wouldn't mind me plus a companion.

I did the math on making a new character just for max lvl 20. You can literally max con wit and memory and a attribute state for damage and have points left over to throw in one you will never use. You can pretty much get all of the combat skills high enough to learn every skill of course you only have do much you can do a turn. Depends on what your wanting to play as thou still. Basically now you will be a jack of all trades but not a sole master of one. Can be helpful or hindering depends.

Would the game be hard on me for just doing me with a companion? My concern is I want the dialogue/choices to be from my character and D1 my NPCs had to be generic to not be useless on the high difficulties or if they were in front of the part they'd talk instead of my own character.

[Slynx Jewel]

that depends on your tactics and character builds of both of your characters. and difficulty.
for example you can have a hunter-ranged-warfare type character with a mix of summoning and with added 2ap per turn he'll probably be strong... which will make things easier for you in a long run.
also DOS2 were playable in duo\solo without lone wolf before. so it'll definitely will be playable with a lone wolf now. though you have to remember that 4 characters have 4\8 social skills maxed :D

[You know my name.]

Publicado originalmente por RichRuzz:

Publicado originalmente por Caretaker:

I did the math on making a new character just for max lvl 20. You can literally max con wit and memory and a attribute state for damage and have points left over to throw in one you will never use. You can pretty much get all of the combat skills high enough to learn every skill of course you only have do much you can do a turn. Depends on what your wanting to play as thou still. Basically now you will be a jack of all trades but not a sole master of one. Can be helpful or hindering depends.

Would the game be hard on me for just doing me with a companion? My concern is I want the dialogue/choices to be from my character and D1 my NPCs had to be generic to not be useless on the high difficulties or if they were in front of the part they'd talk instead of my own character.

Well again lone wolf nerf wont let you max only only the skills you wont. No matter what you want to really play as you literally will have points on other skills that you prbly wont use and you will end up being a jack of all trades so in general it will come down to what skills you use and choose to combo with your one other person but at this point it will be way harder now in lone wolf instead of 4 characters.