Clearing out fort joy?

[Pyro]

Should I try to clear out as much of fort joy as i can before i leave, or do you guys reckon it'd be better to leave things undiscovered so that on a 2nd playthrough there'll be new stuff I could come across.
(I'm talking about leaving the whole island, not just the prison side of the island)

[Dux Aquila]

Kill all magisters.

Keep killing all magisters after you leave the Joy.

Do not stop killing magisters at any point.

[Chaoslink]

You don't have to kill everyone, however you should try to clear every area you can. You don't want to skip too much otherwise you start to get behind on XP and will struggle a bit.

Using different characters and making different choices will leave your second game surprisingly different than you might think.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Using different characters and making different choices will leave your second game surprisingly different than you might think.

Thanks! I was just wondering because I started to go back and clear out some areas and discovered some story/alternative escape routes that didn't apply anymore, so felt like I was spoiling a potential 2nd playthrough. But as you said I didn't want to miss out on equipment and xp.

Originally posted by Dux Aquila:

Kill all magisters.

Keep killing all magisters after you leave the Joy.

Do not stop killing magisters at any point.

Yes kill them all! That's what I've been doing ;)

[Chaoslink]

I mean, I don't kill all magisters. They're not bad or evil. But you have to make the distinction between the two magister factions. The reds are common soldiers. The whites are the leaders.

[bullse]

Personally, I typically kill almost everyone in Fort Joy except Sanctuary of Amadia folk which I use for my trading needs, etc.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

pretty much do 100% of it you'll want that extra exp before you face the final encounter.

[Dux Aquila]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I mean, I don't kill all magisters. They're not bad or evil. But you have to make the distinction between the two magister factions. The reds are common soldiers. The whites are the leaders.

Bro, if any magister looks at a silent monk and goes "yeah I'm fine with this" then it doesn't matter what color uniform they wear.

And near as I can tell, this is all of them.

Kill all magisters.

[eglepe]

Yeah, Silent Monks are why I never "both sides" the conflict in this game. None of their valid points matter when they do that to people

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Dux Aquila:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I mean, I don't kill all magisters. They're not bad or evil. But you have to make the distinction between the two magister factions. The reds are common soldiers. The whites are the leaders.

Bro, if any magister looks at a silent monk and goes "yeah I'm fine with this" then it doesn't matter what color uniform they wear.

And near as I can tell, this is all of them.

Kill all magisters.

Not every magister comes in contact with them and many don't know what they were or what happened to them. Those that do see it as a necessary evil because they've been led to believe that the voidwoken will win and kill or enslave everyone if they don't create silent monks from every sourcerer. If its total annihilation versus making a few thousand silent monks, they pick making monks for the betterment of everyone. Fighting back against that is easily seen as selfish. Doing what you do as a Godwoken only feels like you're doing the right thing because you're the victim. From the magister's point of view, it might feel wrong, but it is necessary for saving everyone.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by eglepe:

Yeah, Silent Monks are why I never "both sides" the conflict in this game. None of their valid points matter when they do that to people

So, you'd be willing to allow millions to die instead of condemning just thousands?

In a scenario where some crazed individual has mentally broken down and is about to kill a room full of people and you're in the position to kill them to stop it, you wouldn't sacrifice that one person (who is only doing this because they've been recently traumatized by something shocking, something they'd easily return to normal from given time) to save the rest?

In the magister's eyes, they have to do that to save the greater group. If they don't purge the sourcerers, the rest of the world burns.

Its a hard choice to make. Neither answer is good, but you have to choose one. They believe they're choosing the lesser of two evils. And you condemn them for it?

How would that make you any better than them?

[eglepe]

They aren't stopping at "sacrificing the few for the many" though are they? They have zero qualms about stripping away their humanity and turning them into mindless creatures, then on top of that using them as disposable meat puppets. Not that utilitarianism has any place in civilised society, but at least there's an argument to be made for it. There are no such grey areas with Silent Monks, just pure evil.

[Chaoslink]

Tell that to magisters like Yarrow, who don’t really know what is being done. The white magisters, the leadership, is behind all that. Not the common reds.

[Dux Aquila]

It's no secret that sourcerers go into Fort Joy and silent monks come out.
Silent monks aren't exactly hidden from the public eye either. They guard town entrances and market squares. They're disfigured, mute creatures with stitched mouths and corpse-like appearance.

Any magisters who are blind to what's going on are idiots.

I mean, the silent monk conversions literally happen right inside the magister base in Fort Joy. Not in some hidden room or anything, just head through the front door and there you are. Hell, red magisters even preside over the whole thing.

[eglepe]

I mean if your best defence of the magisters is "some of them are so mindnumbingly stupid they can't tell Silent Monks are purged sourcerers" then, yeah, ok, I guess? It still doesn't make the concept of Silent Monks even slightly grey, morally speaking.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Dux Aquila:

It's no secret that sourcerers go into Fort Joy and silent monks come out.
Silent monks aren't exactly hidden from the public eye either. They guard town entrances and market squares. They're disfigured, mute creatures with stitched mouths and corpse-like appearance.

Any magisters who are blind to what's going on are idiots.

I mean, the silent monk conversions literally happen right inside the magister base in Fort Joy. Not in some hidden room or anything, just head through the front door and there you are. Hell, red magisters even preside over the whole thing.

See, that isn’t true though. The Paladins in Arx didn’t know. That’s why you see Paladin Cork investigating. It was only after he reported to his superiors that the Paladins in Reaper’s Coast learned of it. And that didn’t reach Arx until shortly before you do. Driftwood is a small fishing village, a perfect place for the magisters to use as a waypoint to transport sourcerers to Fort Joy. However, being just a small village, the amount of people who would know would be pretty small and most probably don’t know much about them or who they are. Most citizens just assume sourcerers are being “cured” and don’t really know what that cure is. It’s also very likely that the only place the monks are common are in magister secured areas not open to most of the public, Driftwood being the exception because of its role in transport since it has a dock.

It’s unlikely that the information you get exposed to is all that obvious to the outside. Especially because many of your actions are what reveals what the magisters were doing to begin with. Chances are that most of them don’t know where the monks originate from or why. They’re too busy doing things like transporting the weapons from the swamps and all the other things they get ordered to do. Again, most are just common soldiers. I mean, would you have condemned your average German soldier of the crimes committed by Nazi elitists? It’s pretty much the same thing with the magisters.