Lore on the "Resurrection Scroll"?

[AR-NewRecruit]

I'm curious to the in-game lore of understanding how the world works per-say with such an "Interesting" method of defying death.

I haven't gotten far into the game but the scroll really poked at me for being a jarring way to prevent death. Death in the game is like a phase/state, it would seem mortality lacks a lot of ethical quandaries that aren't present from today's philosophies.

That presented to me questions I'd like to know if anyone's capable of answering:

1. Are the scrolls common? Not saying as a game balance mechanic but from the lore perspective.

2. Do the requisites for using the scroll need a person's "soul" and intact body to resurrect the target?

3. Just how far can one's body go through decomposition/damage to not be capable of using a resurrect scroll?

4. There are undead in the lore, in theory, are they people resurrected with a decomposed body? (This could be me skimming over a detail I hadn't noticed if I'm wrong)

5. If "souls" exist does that mean they have a physical presence of some sort?

6. When the resurrect scroll is used on a very mutilated/damaged body, does the spell reuse the damaged cells to create new ones or does it create biomass that is adjusted for the body in question?

[raubrey]

The method isn't unique. It's been available in D&D cRPG games for the last 20 or so years.

[Hoshikudaki]

Originally posted by AR-NewRecruit:

I'm curious to the in-game lore of understanding how the world works per-say with such an "Interesting" method of defying death.

I haven't gotten far into the game but the scroll really poked at me for being a jarring way to prevent death. Death in the game is like a phase/state, it would seem mortality lacks a lot of ethical quandaries that aren't present from today's philosophies.

That presented to me questions I'd like to know if anyone's capable of answering:

1. Are the scrolls common? Not saying as a game balance mechanic but from the lore perspective.

2. Do the requisites for using the scroll need a person's "soul" and intact body to resurrect the target?

3. Just how far can one's body go through decomposition/damage to not be capable of using a resurrect scroll?

4. There are undead in the lore, in theory, are they people resurrected with a decomposed body? (This could be me skimming over a detail I hadn't noticed if I'm wrong)

5. If "souls" exist does that mean they have a physical presence of some sort?

6. When the resurrect scroll is used on a very mutilated/damaged body, does the spell reuse the damaged cells to create new ones or does it create biomass that is adjusted for the body in question?

1. I would say it's somewhat common as a couple vendors do sell them.
2. A bit of both the corpse is removed upon resurrection.
3. A fair amount given that you can resurrect a shattered or melted corpse.
4. Mostly likely undead race are given new life via a different means. See #3
Also they seem to be given a second life through Amardia the Goddess of Wizards
Late game spoilers below
Then again Braccus was resurrected by Tarquin with Necromancy
5. Possibly see below spoilers
ACT 2 Ghost in Rykers house can play the piano
ACT 3/4 Magister ghost stabbing a Paladin(more magical I guess as he is cursing the wound but does prevent it from healing)
6. Mostly like repairing the damaged cells as summoned lifeforms have a short lifespan.

[Stabbey]

There is no lore. Resurrection scrolls do not exist as far as anything in the game is concerned. The are purely an anti-frustration gameplay mechanic.

[Damashi The Kaotic]

Originally posted by Stabbey:

There is no lore. Resurrection scrolls do not exist as far as anything in the game is concerned. The are purely an anti-frustration gameplay mechanic.

They do exist in universe. A book mentions its forbidden to put resurection scrolls in rez idols.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Damashi The Kaotic:

Originally posted by Stabbey:

There is no lore. Resurrection scrolls do not exist as far as anything in the game is concerned. The are purely an anti-frustration gameplay mechanic.

They do exist in universe. A book mentions its forbidden to put resurection scrolls in rez idles.

Ashen Idols, yeah.
Forbidden Objects or some such.
I think that is the extent of it, though.

For practical game purposes, it's *suppose* to be difficult or challenging to keep your companions alive in crpgs. Unlike D&D, there are no healers/temples etc. or non-unique wands, so the scrolls are more plentiful. Hence the anti-frustration tool being a good descriptor.

[Warfrog]

Originally posted by Stabbey:

There is no lore. Resurrection scrolls do not exist as far as anything in the game is concerned. The are purely an anti-frustration gameplay mechanic.

If you've ever taken the time to read the Assassination Order found on the body of Red Prince's would be assassin it says:

"Once on the island, you will search for a red-skinned lizard. You will kill him. You will cut the body to pieces. You will ensure no magic in the world can restore him back to life."

So resurrection exists in lore but there are some limits to it. Now obviously any such limits are removed for your characters as losing someone permanently if they were killed by X would probably be a source of massive frustration.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Warfrog:

Originally posted by Stabbey:

There is no lore. Resurrection scrolls do not exist as far as anything in the game is concerned. The are purely an anti-frustration gameplay mechanic.

If you've ever taken the time to read the Assassination Order found on the body of Red Prince's would be assassin it says:

"Once on the island, you will search for a red-skinned lizard. You will kill him. You will cut the body to pieces. You will ensure no magic in the world can restore him back to life."

So resurrection exists in lore but there are some limits to it. Now obviously any such limits are removed for your characters as losing someone permanently if they were killed by X would probably be a source of massive frustration.

A mention in-game does not lore make.
Plus, there is really no need to be rude.
Besides, I recall Stabby being around for years...long enough to quantify some knowledge on the topic.

[Stabbey]

Nah, it's fine. It's possible that I missed or forgot a few things.

But really, practically speaking, Resurrection is not generally acknowleged as existing, largely because the game's scripting would literally explode, sending shards of metal and plastic into the flesh of (very briefly) startled gamers world wide if it had to deal with all the infinite possibilities of breaking quests by killing and reviving NPC's.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Stabbey:

Nah, it's fine. It's possible that I missed or forgot a few things.

But really, practically speaking, Resurrection is not generally acknowleged as existing, largely because the game's scripting would literally explode, sending shards of metal and plastic into the flesh of (very briefly) startled gamers world wide if it had to deal with all the infinite possibilities of breaking quests by killing and reviving NPC's.

Like the time I couldn't resurrect Jahan in D:OS 1 when he stepped in Lava (thus a problem for both DOS 1 and 2) I don't recall if that permadeath was intended or not but I had to redo the boss fight...whichever one it was preceeding it.

[AR-NewRecruit]

Thanks for the responses guys, I think from what everyone has mentioned it's assumed the ability to resurrect at least exists. Technically, it's supposedly limited in power but those limits however are ignored for your characters for the sake of gameplay.

I guess there's not much else to say about the point of the item then.

[Pilgrum]

I guessing its originally based on a high level necromancy spell from Advanced Dungeons and Dragons from almost 40 years ago. I play 1st/2nd edition AD&D from the 1980s and my cleric has it.