I don't think Tactician and Honour difficulty are balanced well

[Snobby Hobo]

My personal opinion on either of this gamemodes is that they're simply "too much". I like a challenge where mistakes are punished, but either of these gamemodes force you to reload several times only to cheese the AI into doing stupid ♥♥♥♥ before you finally win.

In many other games difficulty appears to be a, no pun intended, difficult topic: some just increase the stats on foes like Divinity does whilst others employ better and more strategic AI. The latter is really hard to do in games like these.

Bit of a shame though, it's just an addition these levels exist, but to me they're poorly balanced. It's not fun having to restart every single encounter because you didn't position everyone in your team pixel perfect and/or the opponent instantkills you in the first turn.

[glythe]

Tactical mode is balanced around people abusing the game so you need to know that going in. What you gotta do is cheese right back.

Start a fight with your tank (rest before talking) then give him like 7 buffs (un memorize some of them if you like). It makes tac mode a joke.

[Merk]

i mean i have honor mode completed i thought it was to easy if anything. not trying to be mean but if your struggling and have to cheese every fight you should lower the difficulty.

[Orangemoose]

You should probably play the game at a lower difficulty until you're used to the game's gameplay before trying tactician.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by Merk:

i mean i have honor mode completed i thought it was to easy if anything. not trying to be mean but if your struggling and have to cheese every fight you should lower the difficulty.

Well it's as close to objectively not easy as it gets. There're several fights where, even with maxed initiative, there're opponents who instantkill your party in the first turn.

You can't, and you will never convince me you did, completely tactician or honor mode without cheesing opponents and/or reloading several times to get the engage done properly.

[RodgerDodger]

I've been playing this game on tactician/honour mode right off the get go. It's very doable without actually cheesing the system. Every fight is very winnable with proper pre fight positioning, good party composition and keeping your gear topnotch.

The last bit is what most people probably don't bother with. If you want to live through a blind playthrough on honour your gear needs to be on point.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is The boat ride through the deathfog in act 2.

[.//slayer]

If by "cheesing" you mean "playing smartly", i.e. dividing your group so that you have someone in reserve in case of an accidental one-shot, teleporting enemies to favourable battletrounds, outleveling the enemies or min-maxing your stats, then no, it's not possible. Otherwise both tactician and honour aren't exactly challenging.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is .

Bloody exactly! ♥♥♥♥ instadeath through dialogues. Lost my 60 hours Honour save to that

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by RodgerDodger:

I've been playing this game on tactician/honour mode right off the get go. It's very doable without actually cheesing the system. Every fight is very winnable with proper pre fight positioning, good party composition and keeping your gear topnotch.

The last bit is what most people probably don't bother with. If you want to live through a blind playthrough on honour your gear needs to be on point.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is The boat ride through the deathfog in act 2.

Have you even read the OP?

Also you mean to say that prior to every potential encounter you position yourself first to seeing what is happening? Id est, not reloading *after* the dialogue?

[OrKToS]

For my playthrough ridiculously hard was only few fights. Fort Joy was real struggle, but after act1 when i got more abilities and better equpment it starts doable. i finished game on Tactician. Key to most fights it's level and equipment.

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by Awkward winkyface:

Originally posted by RodgerDodger:

I've been playing this game on tactician/honour mode right off the get go. It's very doable without actually cheesing the system. Every fight is very winnable with proper pre fight positioning, good party composition and keeping your gear topnotch.

The last bit is what most people probably don't bother with. If you want to live through a blind playthrough on honour your gear needs to be on point.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is The boat ride through the deathfog in act 2.

Have you even read the OP?

Also you mean to say that prior to every potential encounter you position yourself first to seeing what is happening? Id est, not reloading *after* the dialogue?

Ok, besides Alice, how many instadeath fights can you give us as an examples? And bear in mind, even Alice doesn't one-shot you if you outlevel her by at least 1 level - I survived her initial attack on honour at level 16 just fine.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

If by "cheesing" you mean "playing smartly", i.e. dividing your group so that you have someone in reserve in case of an accidental one-shot, teleporting enemies to favourable battletrounds, outleveling the enemies or min-maxing your stats, then no, it's not possible. Otherwise both tactician and honour aren't exactly challenging.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is .

Bloody exactly! ♥♥♥♥ instadeath through dialogues. Lost my 60 hours Honour save to that

Playing intelligently is not what I mean. I've got a team comp of a tank, 2 enchanters and a str melee(the old crit str build that is so broken). Opponents tend to ignore my tank, and some of them, especially assassins, walk around the entire globe still being able to teleport 1 hit either of my mages.

That's fine with me, but don't tell me that is avoidable every time. I cheesed ALOT of fights teleporting opponents to spots they simply can't engage from.

[Nate]

Me and my friends are doing our first playthrough at the tactitian difficulty, since that is the same difficulty as honour just that the save isn't erased if we die. So far our party is lvl 6 and haven't completelly wiped once nor have we save scammed. Sure, we've been close to wiping several times, but we've always manage to scrape by or flee the battle to recouperate. This has put us on the spot where we've spent a lot of money on ressurection scrolls and are thus poorly equiped and low on skills. We could probably avoid that by save scamming just to get the best result out of any battle, but then any game would be easy.

What I mean to say is that the most cheesy strategy isn't any of the games battle mechanics but rather save scamming itself (which is in a lot of games today) since you get so much information and experience in how to optimally tackle a battle. Try playing without ever loading older saves or giving up by dying on purpose and you will probably appreciate the difficulty more.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

Originally posted by Awkward winkyface:

Have you even read the OP?

Also you mean to say that prior to every potential encounter you position yourself first to seeing what is happening? Id est, not reloading *after* the dialogue?

Ok, besides Alice, how many instadeath fights can you give us as an examples? And bear in mind, even Alice doesn't one-shot you if you outlevel her by at least 1 level - I survived her initial attack on honour at level 16 just fine.

That's a *really* long list. Alice is the only encounter that 1 shot my entire party. I can't even name how many times the encounter started by having 1 squadmember instantkilled.

Edit: the Void worm instant killed my entire party as well.

[chimpoforevah]

So, should Larian lower the difficulty because you don't agree how it was implemented? Stay away from tacitican and honour mode, they are not for you. Simple.

I'd even agree that instead of inflated damage/mitigation they should have increased spawns and the AI instead, but I'm not gonna whine about it, I'll just stay on classic.

[RodgerDodger]

Originally posted by Awkward winkyface:

Originally posted by RodgerDodger:

I've been playing this game on tactician/honour mode right off the get go. It's very doable without actually cheesing the system. Every fight is very winnable with proper pre fight positioning, good party composition and keeping your gear topnotch.

The last bit is what most people probably don't bother with. If you want to live through a blind playthrough on honour your gear needs to be on point.

The only reason why I died on my last honour playthrough is The boat ride through the deathfog in act 2.

Have you read the OP?

Also you mean to say that prior to every potential encounter you position yourself first to seeing what is happening? Id est, not reloading *after* the dialogue?

I'm pointing out you don't have to save scum, cheat the system or even force the AI into a position where it can't do anything. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what parts of the game could potentionally turn into a fight or you personally just want to fight regardless. Especially since anything magister related will usually end with a bang. Also, scouting with a sneak character is ridiculously valuable Except for the fight against Aeterna, atleast I think that's what she's called.

I have actually read the OP and what's wrong with my response? My first playthrough was on honour, died a few times in act 1 before I got the gist of it. Then I dove right through fort joy, into act 2 and didn't die until a dialogue option killed me. I have had a few close fights at the graveyard cause I dove at it right after hitting reaper's coast and being a level down.

Never said it was piss easy, just said they are very doable if you put some actual thought into the fight and examine your enemies, like use the actual ingame feature.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by chimpoforevah:

So, should Larian lower the difficulty because you don't agree how it was implemented? Stay away from tacitican and honour mode, they are not for you. Simple.

It's sad that even the simple people feel the need to stroll by reading the title and trying to increase their epeen by commenting.

You're talking completely besides the point. I think the way the difficulty is implemented is not actually "more difficult", just "more time consuming". I even said I appreciate the fact that it's there, even if I disagree with it's implementation.