Vault of Braccus Rex...interesting loot possibilities

[Silva]

I was playing tonight and came upon something interesting. It seems that when you get to the end of the vault where Trompdoy's Soul Jar is located a few different things can occur with the main middle chest and the second chest. My character is warfare oriented (not sure if this makes any difference and i have lucky find level 3 but I am pretty sure this matters not in this instance). This is what i found. Can someone please verify on their own game?
1) if you open the first chest in the room (furthest from trompdoy's soul jar) you will get an epic shield of some sort and possible rare armor. the second chest will yield a small masterwork rune.
2) if you open the second chest first you will get a small venom rune, then if you open the main chest you will obtain an epic wand.
3) if you open the second chest followed by any one (1) pile of gold to the and then the first chest you will get small venom rune, 190 gold, and an epic 2 hand sword respectivelly. this works every time for me.
4) if you open the second chest, followed by any 2 piles of gold you will get small venom rune, 2 x 190 gold, and epic boots.
5) if you open second chest, follwed by all 3 piles of gold in any order, you will get small venom rune, 3 x 190 gold and an epic helm.

now there is more. if you loot any of the gold piles before the second chest, the item in the second chest changes and so does the epic item in the first chest.
for example looting the two piles of gold in any order changes the second chest item to a small rock rune (this works with any combination of looted piles of gold as long as it is only 2 piles before opening the second chest) and the item in the main chest becomes epic boots again everytime.

i have not found that the paintings, wand armor or skillbook have any effect on this. only the combination of looted gold piles and the chests.

if someone finds the combination to get s single handed weapon such as a sword, please let me know. hope this helps someone obtain the epic item they need along with the proper rune they require. this is the only place i have found this so far.

[Axierastos]

Interesting. Have you saved, then reloaded trying all possibilities?

[Axierastos]

Also is there a difference later if you choose to "spare" Mr. T or if you destroy him?
Also what happens to Mrs. G if you destroy/consume the jar — is she dead-for-good and can't be find in the hideout?

[Not a Bard]

I wonder if they have a random seed that's recorded with your save. So, opening a series of chests pulls from a sequence of unchanging numbers.

That would explain why you can get the same result when looting things in a particular order. I think (but would need to test) that other people would get different results to you, but they would also see the same repeated patterns when opening lootables in a specific sequence.

[Axierastos]

Oh yeah, there are a lot of comos... Even when it comes to the awads the ghost of Mr. T awards. I suggest save scumming it couple of times and see what suits you the best.
So far I haven't seen 1h or 2h sword, but I did pretty good 1h and 2h axes, together with T's award of okay shield, if that is what you are going after.
Try all silly comos, up gold than chest, or 3 golds then chest, etc.
Some nice daggers and staves to be had, too.

[Axierastos]

Item's are same, just their stats differ (sub stats).

[Axierastos]

Hmm, I just got 2h sword. I run for chest 1 (close to urne) and then back to ch 2 and got staff and epic 2h sword. PReviously when I did just the same run, I got dagger instead 2h sw... So it is semi-random after all, with affixes on weapons total random.

[Balalaika]

Loot is predetermined for session. Reloading and doing thing in different order will reroll the loot.

[Axierastos]

It will, but there _is_ little pattern in this particular dungeon.

[Silva]

interesting axie. no matter what i tried it i always got the same epic item (with randomized stats). for me it never changed. i settled on an epic shield with 50 reflect physical and rare armor. ill keep looking to see if this happens in another part of the game. Ill also try it when i redo the game on honour mode. ill keep you posted if anything happens.

[Qiox]

This behaviour is not unique to that room. You are simply seeing how the loot system works behind the scenes.

For example, if you pick any location with many junk containers, like barrels, crates, bones piles, etc... that are only useful for Lucky Find triggers you can see a similar effect.

If you have a location with 10 containers and save before opening any you can see the following:

- assume the 6th container you open triggers a luck find and you get a Helm

- if you relead the save and open the same sequence of containers, the 6th one will always trigger Lucky Find and it will always contain a Helm, but with different stats on the Helm each time

- If you reload the save and open a different sequence of containers this new 6th one will again trigger Lucky Find, but this other container will contain a different item type, like a Wand.

- Reloading and making this new container your 6th will always result in a Lucky Find of a Wand.


The same type of behaviour applies when instead of junk containers you are opening a chest guaranteed to contain loot. What you get will be fixed, so long as you repeat the same looting sequence from your last save.

[Silva]

yep i just did the same at the end of tower past maze of gargoyles. This time the sequence with the two sarcophagus and two chests and the middle vase. In this instance, a specific sequence for example sarco 1 sarco 2 chest 1 will always give the same loot with same stats which for me was a skill book gold and a rune. occured every time. the golden vase is always fixed. the most i managed to get out of this is an epic dagger.

[Poop Smoocher]

Originally posted by Qiox:

- if you relead the save and open the same sequence of containers, the 6th one will always trigger Lucky Find and it will always contain a Helm, but with different stats on the Helm each time.

You're saying container contents are seeded, item stats are completely random, and lucky find occurs after every X container opened (modified by stat)?

That's interesting. So if you really wanted to game the system, you could wait until you get a lucky find, then reload your last save. Then open containers in different orders with your Lucky find always being the one used for a big chest.

Quick save each time before opening the big chest. When the chest opens to an item you want, like a 2-handed mace, simply start reloading that quicksave now right before the chest, as the stats should apparently randomize each time on that 2-handed mace.


Pretty cheese but you should be able to get exactly what you want. Only question is how is item rarity affected? Is it seeded with the item type or random like the stats?

[Axierastos]

Radom generated loot (MMO style) instead of hand-placed one is one of the worst elements in this I game I find, but that is Larian and considering the game is so good, it could be forgiven.

But here, in this room, there really seem to be a some sort of pattern (with sometime "Lucky" trait kicking in and getting extra loot) — that is the point we tried to make.

So, basically there is a way to always get purple shield, wand, dagger or axe. Just needs to be played on it more to figure precise. I started taking notes, but then remembered I hate this kind of save scumming so dropped it fast. :)

Anyhow, I did manage to get nice loot... The one I really wanted upgrade at this point.

Sure there are people who like this system and are patient to reload like there is no tomorrow, so more power to them.

Enjoy :D

[Moos]

So...the loot is random, huh? Have your tried looting the second chest first with your third character selected and your fourth finger stuck in your second ear while the third finger is rubbing your first eyeball?

[stocky102000ii]

Originally posted by Moos:

So...the loot is random, huh? Have your tried looting the second chest first with your third character selected and your fourth finger stuck in your second ear while the third finger is rubbing your first eyeball?

I did this last night it works!!! I was rewarded with an ear infection and a sore eye!! ^^