Companions Bisexual, Hetero/Homosexual?

[Taco]

I typically play a female character in games and I'd like to romance Lohse, I saw in the trailer Red Prince in a bed with her so I assume that males can romance her, but can females as well?

I'll make a male character if that's the only way to romance Lohse, I'd just like to know in advance what I'll need to do since that will affect my party makeup as I like to roleplay.

Anyone got a clue?

Thanks!

[Morsk]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TheProTaco:

In real life, every individual is a sum of all their experiences and choices.
A person is gay because the majority of their life has inclined them in that way somehow.
A person is straight because the majority of their life has inclined them in that other way somehow.

This isn't even true. I didn't want to accuse you of believing this on Page 1 when you used the word "lifestyle", but you just admitted it, so whatever. The evidence from twin studies is that orientation is more than half biological.

Regardless, the characters aren't real people, so you can just imagine any reason they're sexually attracted to the player who wants the romance option. Make something up. It can be different in each playthrough; it doesn't have to be that everyone is bisexual every time.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

The Red Prince experimenting with men could work if it was expanded upon. He is still of royal blood after all and him getting caught flirting with a male would certainly throw shame upon the family. It could be an interesting mechanic if you needed to stay out of sight/earshot of others when trying to romance one of the males with him.

[The Clash at Demonhead]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morsk:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TheProTaco:

In real life, every individual is a sum of all their experiences and choices.
A person is gay because the majority of their life has inclined them in that way somehow.
A person is straight because the majority of their life has inclined them in that other way somehow.

This isn't even true. I didn't want to accuse you of believing this on Page 1 when you used the word "lifestyle", but you just admitted it, so whatever. The evidence from twin studies is that orientation is more than half biological.

Regardless, the characters aren't real people, so you can just imagine any reason they're sexually attracted to the player who wants the romance option. Make something up. It can be different in each playthrough; it doesn't have to be that everyone is bisexual every time.

Yeah, see I tried saying that already. Didn't take.

[The Clash at Demonhead]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

The Red Prince experimenting with men could work if it was expanded upon. He is still of royal blood after all and him getting caught flirting with a male would certainly throw shame upon the family. It could be an interesting mechanic if you needed to stay out of sight/earshot of others when trying to romance one of the males with him.

Says who? In older times sleeping with men wasn't frowned upon. It was literally "Lay with women to procreate. Lay with men to gain knowledge." or some ♥♥♥♥. That only works if his empire was homophobic, which the game doesn't say.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

The Red Prince experimenting with men could work if it was expanded upon. He is still of royal blood after all and him getting caught flirting with a male would certainly throw shame upon the family. It could be an interesting mechanic if you needed to stay out of sight/earshot of others when trying to romance one of the males with him.

Says who? In older times sleeping with men wasn't frowned upon. It was literally "Lay with women to procreate. Lay with men to gain knowledge." or some ♥♥♥♥. That only works if his empire was homophobic, which the game doesn't say.

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up?

[The Clash at Demonhead]

Ancient Greece


Ancient Greeks did not associate sexual relations with binary labels, as modern Western society does. Men who had male lovers were not identified as homosexual, and may have had wives or other female lovers. See Homosexuality in ancient Greece. Ancient Greek religious texts, reflecting cultural practices, incorporated bisexual themes. The subtexts varied, from the mystical to the didactic.
Spartans thought that love and erotic relationships between experienced and novice soldiers would solidify combat loyalty and unit cohesion, and encourage heroic tactics as men vied to impress their lovers. Once the younger soldiers reached maturity, the relationship was supposed to become non-sexual, but it is not clear how strictly this was followed. There was some stigma attached to young men who continued their relationships with their mentors into adulthood.[1] For example, Aristophanes calls them euryprôktoi, meaning "wide arses", and depicts them like women.The Theban Band, a military of male couples, may have been organized according to the same idea.
That's from Wikipedia, friend.

Not even covering ancient Rome, either.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Fair enough. Anyways, if it's written well I won't care.

[The Clash at Demonhead]

So, actually since this game takes place so long ago(assuming since swords n'stuff), and back in those times bisexuality was pretty "natural" I guess this game having an all bi cast would be pretty "normal". Oops.

[beloved_lokisdottir]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TheProTaco:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morsk:

I doubt anyone knows. I hope they do the Fallout 4 way of letting you romance anyone and anything, not because it's "their orientation", but because it's your own game and they aren't a real person so there's no reason to block the content from people.

The BioWare way would be to force Sebille to be straight, because she's psycho, and they wouldn't allow the portrayal of a psycho bisexual character. They actually did this with Solas, another crazy elf; I'm not making a joke. Hope for the Bethesda way!

Honestly I think DA:O did it best.

The companion's sexual orientation was based on their actual lifestyle.

I.e. Allistair was raised in the Chantry so he's straight, Zevran was raised in a brothel so he's bi.

That's... not how sexual orientation works.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

So, actually since this game takes place so long ago, and back in those times bisexuality was pretty "natural" I guess this game having an all bi cast would be pretty "normal". Oops.

Their ancient times =/= our ancient times.

[The Clash at Demonhead]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

So, actually since this game takes place so long ago, and back in those times bisexuality was pretty "natural" I guess this game having an all bi cast would be pretty "normal". Oops.

Their ancient times =/= our ancient times.

Fair enough, but the normal sexuality for their "ancient times" isn't ever discussed and is left to interpretation, meaning if they were all gay it could be normal. Doesn't require a well-written background making the character bi. Some people are just Lesbian/gay/bi/straight

Which OH NO, brings me b ack the the point that THIS IS A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GAME AND WHAT IS NORMAL IN OUR WORLD DOESN'T APPLY HERE.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

Their ancient times =/= our ancient times.

Fair enough, but the normal sexuality for their "ancient times" isn't ever discussed and is left to interpretation, meaning if they were all gay it could be normal. Doesn't require a well-written background making the character bi. Some people are just Lesbian/gay/bi/straight

Actually it is somewhat discussed in the game Dragon Commander. This game is in the same timeline as D:OS1/2 and in that game you were a dragon emperor who could decide whether gay marriage for example was allowed or not. Sadly we don't have a canon decision for what was ultimately chosen.

[The Clash at Demonhead]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

Fair enough, but the normal sexuality for their "ancient times" isn't ever discussed and is left to interpretation, meaning if they were all gay it could be normal. Doesn't require a well-written background making the character bi. Some people are just Lesbian/gay/bi/straight

Actually it is somewhat discussed in the game Dragon Commander. This game is in the same timeline as D:OS1/2 and in that game you were a dragon emperor who could decide whether gay marriage for example was allowed or not. Sadly we don't have a canon decision for what was ultimately chosen.

That's player choice, though. That's the same as chosing if The Red Prince will go down on your male human or not. The exact point I've tried getting across this entire time.

[Taco]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morsk:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TheProTaco:

In real life, every individual is a sum of all their experiences and choices.
A person is gay because the majority of their life has inclined them in that way somehow.
A person is straight because the majority of their life has inclined them in that other way somehow.

This isn't even true. I didn't want to accuse you of believing this on Page 1 when you used the word "lifestyle", but you just admitted it, so whatever. The evidence from twin studies is that orientation is more than half biological.

Regardless, the characters aren't real people, so you can just imagine any reason they're sexually attracted to the player who wants the romance option. Make something up. It can be different in each playthrough; it doesn't have to be that everyone is bisexual every time.

The only thing those studies proved was that if you traumatize a baby and treat them like a girl even as they resist and fight because they're a boy you just create a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up boy.

Regardless, studies like that are illegal, so.

[Cathaklysme]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von French Mescudi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kars:

Actually it is somewhat discussed in the game Dragon Commander. This game is in the same timeline as D:OS1/2 and in that game you were a dragon emperor who could decide whether gay marriage for example was allowed or not. Sadly we don't have a canon decision for what was ultimately chosen.

That's player choice, though. That's the same as chosing if The Red Prince will go down on your male human or not. The exact point I've tried getting across this entire time.

And again what i've been trying to get across to you the entire time, is that how the real world works does matter, because that's the scale with which we explain everything. The reason why spells and ♥♥♥♥ isn't a problem is because it doesn't exist so it doesn't cause an issue, everybody being be isn't an issue per se it's just odd 'cause taht's nor what we're used to. It's not even necessarly a problem if it's intorudced well too.
Taking you're red prince thinguy, you could imagine visiting a lizard city where your character witness a polygamist or gay couple and finds taht odd (representing our POV or if you prefer the POV of the real world) and the red prince explaining that it's the natural state of thing for him.
If it's done like that i have no issue, i'm not disagreeing that you should choose the orientation of the character you control, just that the other character being defined and having a backstory should not be fluid on that subject because taht would essentially be bad writting.
Honestly i'm not sure if i'm getting my point accross very well, but essentially all i want is not play a game where devs think that wrtting a different sexuality is just checking something in a checklist saying "yep we got a gay guy".

Other than that go nuts
And again i hope i explained myself better this time