Nameless Isle, How did you decide: Side with black ring or Magisters?

[murkly gurgles]

I don't really think there's a good or bad here, its all gray area...they're both kinda evil but have their understandable motivations, both think they're doing the right thing (which makes for the best villains).

I feel dirty siding with either one, though near the start of Nameless Isle, you have some choices. First instinct was that since the Magisters were our captors, jailing us in act 1, we should side with anyone against them including Black ring. After playing through the game on my first run making that choice seemed so wrong though. Second run now, rethinking everything :D

[Cybeast Gregar]

Don't. Kill them all.

[murkly gurgles]

Ya, I agree. lol

[Gregorovitch]

Aside from the odd and rare exception amongst the magisters, were in the game is there even a sliver of evidence to support the contention magisters and Black Ring deserve to live a moment longer than it takes you to slaughter them? I appreciate most of them are just foot soldiers folowwing orders, but the fact is they at best bully, at worst torture to death, ordinary folk right left and centre without thinking twice about it.

I felt not even a twinge of guilt looting the dead bodies of magister and black ring alike on Nameless. Good riddance to bad rubish.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by SweetCreamPie:

Don't. Kill them all.

Yep given the choice between demon worshiping cultists who have been a massive pain in the ass in every divinity game or holier than thou knight Templars who are doing absolutely abominable things I'm going for ♥♥♥♥ em both every time it's also why I'm never siding with that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lucian[\spoiler] or those ass hat Gods[\spoiler] if your an evil ♥♥♥♥ who ♥♥♥♥♥ over everybody for your own reason even if you cry it's for the greater good well committing wholesale genocide given the option your burning literally.

[Cybeast Gregar]

On an individual level, there are certain members of each group I'd give a pass to. Fortunately, if you are so inclined, the game lets you help most of those individuals. Thing is, the rest are shown as either actively participating in or turning a blind eye to atrocities that would make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao blush.

To put things in perspective, my first character committed genocide. That character can still claim moral superiority. When you've gone that far, you've ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and need to die.

[raubrey]

I suppose just go with whatever supports your world order view. It's too bad you can't just take out the leadership with most of them...well I guess you can if you're not officially siding with anyone.

I'd support Braccus if it made any sense at all to do so and didn't involve a supersized Kraken. I also found The Advocate to be a real charmer.

[mypony89]

I don't think its completely black and white. It seems there are those peons in all groups (save for the black ring) that think what they or their group is doing is a great thing but then you get to the higher up and they are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by mypony89:

I don't think its completely black and white. It seems there are those peons in all groups (save for the black ring) that think what they or their group is doing is a great thing but then you get to the higher up and they are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.

The magisters used silent monks as canon fodder and widely deployed shriekers and is common knowledge for troops inside the order and even outsiders and the black ring explicitly worships a primordial demonic entity prior to the god king thing. The they didn't know there superiors were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing doesn't fly.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by jrr101:

Originally posted by mypony89:

I don't think its completely black and white. It seems there are those peons in all groups (save for the black ring) that think what they or their group is doing is a great thing but then you get to the higher up and they are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.

The magisters used silent monks as canon fodder and widely deployed shriekers and is common knowledge for troops inside the order and even outsiders and the black ring explicitly worships a primordial demonic entity prior to the god king thing. The they didn't know there superiors were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing doesn't fly.

The elves didn't seem to have any problem using Shriekers either...(Nameless Isle)
What's the saying? Desperate Times, Desperate Measures.
Not condoning, just pointing that out. It bugged me, actually.

[Cybeast Gregar]

Originally posted by raubrey:

The elves didn't seem to have any problem using Shriekers either...(Nameless Isle)
What's the saying? Desperate Times, Desperate Measures.
Not condoning, just pointing that out. It bugged me, actually.

I think you may have rest the situation wrong. The guy squatting upstairs in the elf area owned those seekers, and they were the reason he was able to squat there. The elf people didn't exactly sound that happy about it.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by raubrey:

Originally posted by jrr101:

The magisters used silent monks as canon fodder and widely deployed shriekers and is common knowledge for troops inside the order and even outsiders and the black ring explicitly worships a primordial demonic entity prior to the god king thing. The they didn't know there superiors were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing doesn't fly.

The elves didn't seem to have any problem using Shriekers either...(Nameless Isle)
What's the saying? Desperate Times, Desperate Measures.
Not condoning, just pointing that out. It bugged me, actually.

The elves didn't plant them the magisters who they decided to harbour did.

[Cybeast Gregar]

Originally posted by jrr101:

plant them

And now I'm imagining someone growing shriekers as crops, thanks.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by jrr101:

Originally posted by raubrey:

The elves didn't seem to have any problem using Shriekers either...(Nameless Isle)
What's the saying? Desperate Times, Desperate Measures.
Not condoning, just pointing that out. It bugged me, actually.

The elves didn't plant them the magisters who they decided to harbour did.

I never said they planted them. Reread my comment if needed.

Doesn't change anything about the whole moral superiority thing going on here.

[Hoshikudaki]

Originally posted by SweetCreamPie:

Originally posted by jrr101:

plant them

And now I'm imagining someone growing shriekers as crops, thanks.

Are they watering them with Source?

[wendigo211]

In Divine Divinity the story of the Demons is basically the same as the story of the Voidwoken in DoS2. The God of Chaos created the race of the Demons to rule Rivellon, the other gods banished him and the Demons to hell and then created the other mortal races. C.f, the Eternals ruled Rivellon, the dukes banished the king and other Eternals to the Void and then created the mortal races. Both the Demons and Voidwoken were wronged by the gods.

That said, as a member of the younger races, for the sake of self preservation, you really can't support the Demons or Voidwoken, so you have be against both sides and the Black Ring. Ultimately, the Magister leadership does want to seal the void and banish all the Demons, so they are the, "good guys." Alexandar is repentant for his actions under Dallis, and can even be convinced to support your bid for Divinity. That's not to say that the Magisters aren't zealous evil bastards, but if you're going to side with one of the factions, they are the good side. As mentioned you could just kill all of them, they'll all die anyway (When the island gets destroyed).