Why do NPCs not follow the same rules the player does?

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

I keep getting into fights with assassins using smoke to blind my entire group but they are somehow immune to all of its effects.

With my ranged characters at point blank range literally rubbing up against the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ I cant even fire a shot let alone hit, but they somehow have no trouble shooting characters surrounded by smoke and teleporting in and out of it.

What the actual ♥♥♥♥? This is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, games like this are based on the rules being fair and consistant. This is neither, this is enemies having superhuman powers...

[MrJane]

I'd like to think it's just the game creating a unique challenge. It's one of the things I love about this game. It always keeps you on your toes.

[Soren]

Point blank range should let you fire a shot off, you just have to get to where you're touching them. Are they firing directly at your party members in the smoke or are they using area of effect attacks? Are you sure your party members are completely within the smoke, or are they on the outer edges? Or are there open patches of clear air within the smoke? Steam also won't obscure vision. Only smokey areas.

[Elaeus]

Yeah it happens, worse : sometimes you move your characters to another to buff/heal him but you won't be able to do it while the ennemies completely ignore smoke/clouds. This has been a permanent problem in DOS:EE (don't know about the original because i never played it) and still isn't fixed.
I assume at that point that they are unable to deal with this let alone care about it so you'll have to just accept it. Save your grenades and such for sale or whipe your butt with it, might as well save your toilett paper, it's worth a whole lot more...

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Originally posted by Nesdude:

Point blank range should let you fire a shot off, you just have to get to where you're touching them. Are they firing directly at your party members in the smoke or are they using area of effect attacks? Are you sure your party members are completely within the smoke, or are they on the outer edges? Or are there open patches of clear air within the smoke? Steam also won't obscure vision. Only smokey areas.

Literally touching the enemy would not let me attack, and when I was shot my ranger was in the middle of the smoke and could not shoot anything so I had him buff himself, the next round without moving an inch an enemy ranger across the field shot the very same character that could not hit the mob like 10 feet away from him.

Im loving this game but smoke is the biggest ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic in the game, it only applies to you and it makes 3/4ths of my party functionally useless.

Is there a mod to completly remove smoke? I dont feel the need to let the game cheat and id be happier simply removing it entirely.

[Daidaedra]

in a fight an enemy npc knocked one of my charackters down with him still having physical armor. then i break his and he still resists the effekt "becaus of the armor" he does not have anymore. and the same with smoke. and stuff. I WISH the npc´s would follow the games rules but pff guess thats what we have to deal with

[xanraal]

This whole thread is just plain wrong. I'm level 12 and some fights are hell hard but it is all within pararmeters as far as i can see. The mobs just spec really well and use mostly the right skills at the right time. The AI works well. Some fights you're like, i'm getting trolled here, but if you stop and analyse what took place you will find the AI hasn't cheated at all. The AI can and does use it's skills, special abilities, scrolls, potions, whatever it takes and it's only focus is to kill or CC you each round.

I mean comeon, some battles you chain CC and almost insta kill some of theirs. It's all situational. Really people, the "puter isn't cheating hahaha.. And as forthe guy that mentioned DOS EE, I just completed that 2 or so weeks ago on tactician with no wipes after like level 5 and no boss fight going longer than 5 rounds. In fact the final boss i beat in less than 4 rounds. DOS EE certainly did not cheat. All they did was improve the AI in DOS 2 because in DOS EE the mobs sometimes would kill / harm / debuff their own party to just get to one of yours and i'm glad they did fix it because DOS EE was simply too easy.

lol DOS 2 is not cheating hahaha..

Oh and the smoke thing? There are skills that when used also counter and change environment effects. I mean there is even a specific spell to do just that. Smoke is relatively a realistic combat visual hazard amongst other ancillory and primary enviroment conditions.

[xanraal]

Oh and before anyone can cry "fanboi" the rebuttal of everyone who doesn't agree with you, I am most ceratinly not a fanboi. Check my post history, a few times i've stated that while i find DOS 2 addictive and fun to play, for mine i rate it at above average. While a good game DOS 2 does not make my top 10.

[Elaeus]

You're certainly very funny and very strong. Don't be so proud, tactician is far from difficult (apart from the very beginning) without wipes as you can reload endlessly. Anybody can complete the game with the barrels technique, and all fights last less then 5 rounds (tried myself, it's really funny but utterly boring). I can also say I've finished Honor mode in both games but I prefer to stay modest...

This isn't about what you can accomplish, it's about what's the deal about blind status. You certainly don't need blind to finish the game and we certainly didn't say all CC were useless (re read OP) but it was a well known fact : Blind CC doesn't work or didn't work as intended back then when it was posted since the 1st DOS (mind you, the post is like 1 year old LOL and DOS 2 definitive edition is almost out). You couldn't hit someone in a smoke area while the other could even if you stood in front of the target. But it wasn't the only bug related to blind, at a time npc would stay put in the smoke cloud and would just pass their turn. Sometimes curing blind status ailment would mess your accuracy stat therefore you could miss 100% accuracy shots.

I mean maybe it worked right for you and that is a good thing, they might have fixed the issues but stating this thread is plain wrong with your accomplishments like we are some kind of noobs after almost a year old of the original post shows the lack of perspective of your post.

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Originally posted by xanraal:

Oh and before anyone can cry "fanboi" the rebuttal of everyone who doesn't agree with you, I am most ceratinly not a fanboi. Check my post history, a few times i've stated that while i find DOS 2 addictive and fun to play, for mine i rate it at above average. While a good game DOS 2 does not make my top 10.

People would call you a fanboy for bothering to comment in a thread from 10 months ago. You literally saw something said from almost a year ago and felt the need to comment about how sick you are at the game.

If that's not fanboyism or atleast autism I really dont know what is.

[xanraal]

Originally posted by HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Originally posted by xanraal:

Oh and before anyone can cry "fanboi" the rebuttal of everyone who doesn't agree with you, I am most ceratinly not a fanboi. Check my post history, a few times i've stated that while i find DOS 2 addictive and fun to play, for mine i rate it at above average. While a good game DOS 2 does not make my top 10.

People would call you a fanboy for bothering to comment in a thread from 10 months ago. You literally saw something said from almost a year ago and felt the need to comment about how sick you are at the game.

If that's not fanboyism or atleast autism I really dont know what is.

Autism? lol you a bit offended mate? I didn't look at how old the thread was. It was in recent posts, so i commented. Necro thread or not, 'sif the game singles you out and fudges what can be done in combat. Please. Lame. Too funny.

You think i'm sick huh? hahaha.. Pffft i barely scrape by, most people had no problems with DOS EE, my experiences were for context only.

[volx757]

You're referring to the fight with the lizard assassins. Those fights are purposely challenging but as everyone who's finished the game can attest, far from impossible.

Also one thing that comes to mind is that they use Black Shroud, not just smoke. I've never used that skill on one of my characters, but it could be that because it's a source skill and creates a 'cursed smoke cloud', there are special rules where they can see through their own black shroud but you cannot.


I say this because this is the only fight in the game where I've experienced what you describe, them being able to hit you every time and you having to walk out of the smoke to hit them. Every other instance of smoke I encountered acted as you'd expect.

[xanraal]

Originally posted by Elaeus:

You're certainly very funny and very strong. Don't be so proud, tactician is far from difficult (apart from the very beginning) without wipes as you can reload endlessly. Anybody can complete the game with the barrels technique, and all fights last less then 5 rounds (tried myself, it's really funny but utterly boring). I can also say I've finished Honor mode in both games but I prefer to stay modest...

This isn't about what you can accomplish, it's about what's the deal about blind status. You certainly don't need blind to finish the game and we certainly didn't say all CC were useless (re read OP) but it was a well known fact : Blind CC doesn't work or didn't work as intended back then when it was posted since the 1st DOS (mind you, the post is like 1 year old LOL and DOS 2 definitive edition is almost out). You couldn't hit someone in a smoke area while the other could even if you stood in front of the target. But it wasn't the only bug related to blind, at a time npc would stay put in the smoke cloud and would just pass their turn. Sometimes curing blind status ailment would mess your accuracy stat therefore you could miss 100% accuracy shots.

I mean maybe it worked right for you and that is a good thing, they might have fixed the issues but stating this thread is plain wrong with your accomplishments like we are some kind of noobs after almost a year old of the original post shows the lack of perspective of your post.

I'm sorry but really firstly if it's in recent posts it's relevant again. I don't look at how old a thread is someone posted on, however the last post went into promoting this belief that the game cheats and i feel that is just ludicrous.

I find it strange my posting my game experience has been taken for some kind of bragging. My post history is public. Wasn't the case at all, my experience was for context only to show how the game is not difficult. I thought that was pretty obvious..

Isn't it a double negative several of you posting on what you say is an old thread to complain about someone posting on an old thread?

I think it's more that several of you were offended, and well that's on you. I'd be a tad embarassed if i was claiming a game was cheating to beat me like no way could the AI be out playing me. Really comeon. lol..

I'll say it again, i just completed the first game and saw no signs of the game not sticking to it's own parameters and i'm only at level 12 so far in DOS 2 but once again i find the AI to be a fair bit improved from DOS 1, but still sticking to it's own set of governing rules. When the game gets over me in a fight, it beat me fair and square. It didn't need to cheat to do it. I think some of you seem to have an over inflated sense of yourselves to believe the game is cheating when it defeats you in a battle. Don't you think you're being a little unrealistic?

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Originally posted by xanraal:

Originally posted by HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

People would call you a fanboy for bothering to comment in a thread from 10 months ago. You literally saw something said from almost a year ago and felt the need to comment about how sick you are at the game.

If that's not fanboyism or atleast autism I really dont know what is.

Autism? lol you a bit offended mate? I didn't look at how old the thread was. It was in recent posts, so i commented. Necro thread or not, 'sif the game singles you out and fudges what can be done in combat. Please. Lame. Too funny.

You think i'm sick huh? hahaha.. Pffft i barely scrape by, most people had no problems with DOS EE, my experiences were for context only.

Literally nothing in the world more pathetic than someone who brags about how great they are then says "Im not bragging, its just that easy".

Its like a humble brag and a normal brag had a baby and humble brag smoked for the first 6 months.

You feel free to keep resurrecting 10 month old posts when there is in no possible way you found them under recent posts, page 27 is posts from july, this was october... Im sure digging thru hundreds of pages of old forum posts so you can let the past know how amazing you are and is not at all a reflection of you as a person.

Sorry, it just find it really hilarious how you think this is somehow normal behavior. There are literally children that were born between the last comment on this post, and when you went on about how great you are.

[xanraal]

Originally posted by HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Originally posted by xanraal:

Autism? lol you a bit offended mate? I didn't look at how old the thread was. It was in recent posts, so i commented. Necro thread or not, 'sif the game singles you out and fudges what can be done in combat. Please. Lame. Too funny.

You think i'm sick huh? hahaha.. Pffft i barely scrape by, most people had no problems with DOS EE, my experiences were for context only.

Literally nothing in the world more pathetic than someone who brags about how great they are then says "Im not bragging, its just that easy".

Its like a humble brag and a normal brag had a baby and humble brag smoked for the first 6 months.

You feel free to keep resurrecting 10 month old posts when there is in no possible way you found them under recent posts, page 27 is posts from july, this was october... Im sure digging thru hundreds of pages of old forum posts so you can let the past know how amazing you are and is not at all a reflection of you as a person.

Sorry, it just find it really hilarious how you think this is somehow normal behavior. There are literally children that were born between the last comment on this post, and when you went on about how great you are.

Wow dude.. You really are super cut huh? hahaha omg so funny.

So mr "Autism" i'm guessing that little lame name calling insult of yours was due to the fact that this was a 10 month old thread and i hadn't looked at the date? lol look above my first post. The guy posted 1 hour before i did therefore putting this thread on the first page of recent posts. I didn't look at the date, it was literally the most recent thread on the front page. Man you are a mullet. Check yourself dude.

Deflect. Cry necro. Insult away hahaha.. Does not detract form what you originally posted and have so vigorously defended is in my opinion absolute rubbish. The game didn't need to cheat to beat you captain fantastic. Indeed from your own posts in your own thread you are more than capable of defeating yourself. Listen cupcake, it's entirely possible that the game just beat you fair and square. Harden up princess.

Seriously do you troll through old threads? I wouldn't have even thought to do something like that, if it ain't on the first page i don't go to page two lol. Idiot.

[World Eater]

I completely agree with the thread creator. It happens....

Every mob has 2x range , sometimes immuny to knock down & other attack blocking effects and can completely ignore environmental effects. And sometimes they attack you infinitely till you die especially rogues.... They want to make game hard but it's stupid and unfair at times