Character customization. (Ugly humans and set racial clothing.)

[OniKai]

I wish there was more to how you look, like body types and more facial types and complexions, humans look hidious and fat mostly, and elves I'd prefer to be able to wear human clothes and visa versa, can this happen? would improve my immersion. would appreciate a more in depth character appearance editor.

[kcnik]

More face options will be added, but its not a top priority right now.

I dont think body shapes will be added, but i would like to see that too.

I dont think they will unlock the race specific armor designs for other races than the one it was designed for.

[Ceredh]

I can second this. Especially a slimmer body type for human males would be fine, they look like barrels.

[OniKai]

I just think being able to make a character more like yourself or how you wish to look is more immersive to gameplay, as Kcnik said though it's likely not on the top list of priorities but at some point more would be nice.

[Galileus]

I disagree. Considering the perspective and team-based setup the need for more detailed character creator is minuscule. The cost/payoff ratio is off of the chart as well - it's much more important point than the "list of priorities" one.

As for the effect of immersion I have to strongly disagree as well. If you need a really strong character creator to get immersed, it means either you suck or the game sucks. If the story, the setting, lore and combat are not immersing you to a point where you need that character creator to cover up for them - something is SERIOUSLY wrong in the game. Or you need to get a dress up game, and not a RPG tactics one. Do not take it as an insult, as it's not meant to be one - but I do find the idea of immersion being brought up as an argument rather silly. We live in a world that has seen countless people immerse themselves in pixel art isometric RPGs, and the era of these games is considered to be golden era of cRPGs. Saying you cannot immerse yourself in a world and it's story because you have a different physical build than your character is super weird once you consider the consequences of how that story must suck, but also because your dad immersed himself in a world where his "physical build" was a cross of 8 pixels.

The very word is against you - to immerse is to loose the feeling of disconnect. And you say you cannot loose the feeling of disconnect if there is any disconnect? You cannot find 1:1 replica immersive, because there is no need for immersion in the first place. Quite the opposite, the more of the disconnects exists, the bigger the potential for immersion. Immersion that is brought by writing, story, lore, tone, dialogues, events... looks, to a point. A tiny point in that puzzle.

Then the very meaning of RPG is against you as well. To RPG is to play a role, as the whole name suggest. It is to immerse yourself in shoes of a different man, or woman, who is not you. The very idea that you have to be able to fine-tune a character 100% to what you want it to be is silly, and while it's common in modern RPG world it is nevertheless wrong. Being able to 100% customize your character both physically and mentally is all fine and dandy, but from DOS2 I'm looking for exact opposite experience. We got pre-build stories for a reason, and I'm looking forward to the experience of role playing, of playing a role that is well defined and that is alien to me. There are plenty of games where 100% customization is the way to go - because there is no outline for who you play - but DOS2 is not that game.

A perfect scenario to bring up here is Witcher series. They are RPGs, more than the many open-world Bethesda games no less. You don't get to create a character, you don't get to play a edgelord dark mage, you don't get to change your gender. You get to grow your beard.

You play a role of Geralt. And I will say it - the Choice of Beard is more immersive for me than modern Bethesda games whole.

And that is because a pre-set story, pre-set character can be much more immersive in the first place. Much more nuanced and detailed, it ends up being a living and breathing construct, much easier to associate with, and much more fun to roleplay as. It presents you with background and means of your role, it teaches you to care for your living, your coins, your morale... it ends up so much more than mute, inconsequential, no-tone, zero-dimensional ultimate no-one that looks just like you. With no voice, no morals, no values, no story... sure, you will tell me - you can make up that story! But you can't. Your story, you - will never reflect in the eyes of the world, and if that is not immersion breaking, I don't know what is. Well, aside from your hips being slightly too wide on the inventory screen, DUH.

[OniKai]

Originally posted by ShRv GalileOS:

I disagree. Considering the perspective and team-based setup the need for more detailed character creator is minuscule. The cost/payoff ratio is off of the chart as well - it's much more important point than the "list of priorities" one.

As for the effect of immersion I have to strongly disagree as well. If you need a really strong character creator to get immersed, it means either you suck or the game sucks. If the story, the setting, lore and combat are not immersing you to a point where you need that character creator to cover up for them - something is SERIOUSLY wrong in the game. Or you need to get a dress up game, and not a RPG tactics one. Do not take it as an insult, as it's not meant to be one - but I do find the idea of immersion being brought up as an argument rather silly. We live in a world that has seen countless people immerse themselves in pixel art isometric RPGs, and the era of these games is considered to be golden era of cRPGs. Saying you cannot immerse yourself in a world and it's story because you have a different physical build than your character is super weird once you consider the consequences of how that story must suck, but also because your dad immersed himself in a world where his "physical build" was a cross of 8 pixels.

The very word is against you - to immerse is to loose the feeling of disconnect. And you say you cannot loose the feeling of disconnect if there is any disconnect? You cannot find 1:1 replica immersive, because there is no need for immersion in the first place. Quite the opposite, the more of the disconnects exists, the bigger the potential for immersion. Immersion that is brought by writing, story, lore, tone, dialogues, events... looks, to a point. A tiny point in that puzzle.

Then the very meaning of RPG is against you as well. To RPG is to play a role, as the whole name suggest. It is to immerse yourself in shoes of a different man, or woman, who is not you. The very idea that you have to be able to fine-tune a character 100% to what you want it to be is silly, and while it's common in modern RPG world it is nevertheless wrong. Being able to 100% customize your character both physically and mentally is all fine and dandy, but from DOS2 I'm looking for exact opposite experience. We got pre-build stories for a reason, and I'm looking forward to the experience of role playing, of playing a role that is well defined and that is alien to me. There are plenty of games where 100% customization is the way to go - because there is no outline for who you play - but DOS2 is not that game.

A perfect scenario to bring up here is Witcher series. They are RPGs, more than the many open-world Bethesda games no less. You don't get to create a character, you don't get to play a edgelord dark mage, you don't get to change your gender. You get to grow your beard.

You play a role of Geralt. And I will say it - the Choice of Beard is more immersive for me than modern Bethesda games whole.

And that is because a pre-set story, pre-set character can be much more immersive in the first place. Much more nuanced and detailed, it ends up being a living and breathing construct, much easier to associate with, and much more fun to roleplay as. It presents you with background and means of your role, it teaches you to care for your living, your coins, your morale... it ends up so much more than mute, inconsequential, no-tone, zero-dimensional ultimate no-one that looks just like you. With no voice, no morals, no values, no story... sure, you will tell me - you can make up that story! But you can't. Your story, you - will never reflect in the eyes of the world, and if that is not immersion breaking, I don't know what is. Well, aside from your hips being slightly too wide on the inventory screen, DUH.

At no point did I say I can't get immeresed... might want to read what I put clearly. Also an RPG where you have a character creator and all you can create is an ugly avatar with little in the way of features it does make you think wow I wish my character didn't look like ass, and I like the pre-made characters, especially the red prince. but if I'm making a custom character like the game intends me to have such an option I expect something a little more suiting to my tastes, and others will agree some more different types would be nice rather than one generic look.

And I also stated I agree it's not a priority to the game, but something extra I'd like eventually if it could be added, so don't put words in my mouth.

Also look at Mass effect, you still have a pre-made dialogue but you pick who you are, and other games of the same type.

[Natuz]

Elf male has 1 or 2 hair styles. I hope they add a TON more customization options for all races/genders.

[Galileus]

Originally posted by OniKai:

Also look at Mass effect, you still have a pre-made dialogue but you pick who you are, and other games of the same type.

First, yes, you have pre-made dialogue as ALL games ever have. Inb4 link me that one experiment that failed, whatever. Second, no, you do not "pick who you are", you pick one of two inconsequential pre-made routes. Three, you're playing with an up-close camera and a singular character/hero driven story. Four, you're playing a game based around bipolar choices with a tack-on combat system.

How is the relevance to what I wrote? Or to this game? And most of all, how high does character creator stand in the list of things that made ME a ME?

(because for me, ye know, it doesn't even show up)

[OniKai]

Originally posted by ShRv GalileOS:

Originally posted by OniKai:

Also look at Mass effect, you still have a pre-made dialogue but you pick who you are, and other games of the same type.

First, yes, you have pre-made dialogue as ALL games ever have. Inb4 link me that one experiment that failed, whatever. Second, no, you do not "pick who you are", you pick one of two inconsequential pre-made routes. Three, you're playing with an up-close camera and a singular character/hero driven story. Four, you're playing a game based around bipolar choices with a tack-on combat system.

How is the relevance to what I wrote? Or to this game? And most of all, how high does character creator stand in the list of things that made ME a ME?

(because for me, ye know, it doesn't even show up)

I think you need to understand what you spout is your opinion and not fact, that's your point of view not mine, not to mention your points are mute, if they never had a character creator to begin with I wouldn't care as I'd be buying the game to play as 'Geralt.' or who ever the hero of the story is, however this is a game that has a character creator/editor, a lot of us would like to see more options in said creator at some point before the game is released, it hardly is something that takes from the game having more options rather than less.

And the mass effect thing was all about how you were stating pre-made stories and characters are better than user created, you can have best of both worlds basically.

[Galileus]

Budget.

[Rae]

Originally posted by ShRv Full Ham Sundae:

I disagree. Considering the perspective and team-based setup the need for more detailed character creator is minuscule. The cost/payoff ratio is off of the chart as well - it's much more important point than the "list of priorities" one.

As for the effect of immersion I have to strongly disagree as well. If you need a really strong character creator to get immersed, it means either you suck or the game sucks. If the story, the setting, lore and combat are not immersing you to a point where you need that character creator to cover up for them - something is SERIOUSLY wrong in the game. Or you need to get a dress up game, and not a RPG tactics one. Do not take it as an insult, as it's not meant to be one - but I do find the idea of immersion being brought up as an argument rather silly. We live in a world that has seen countless people immerse themselves in pixel art isometric RPGs, and the era of these games is considered to be golden era of cRPGs. Saying you cannot immerse yourself in a world and it's story because you have a different physical build than your character is super weird once you consider the consequences of how that story must suck, but also because your dad immersed himself in a world where his "physical build" was a cross of 8 pixels.

The very word is against you - to immerse is to loose the feeling of disconnect. And you say you cannot loose the feeling of disconnect if there is any disconnect? You cannot find 1:1 replica immersive, because there is no need for immersion in the first place. Quite the opposite, the more of the disconnects exists, the bigger the potential for immersion. Immersion that is brought by writing, story, lore, tone, dialogues, events... looks, to a point. A tiny point in that puzzle.

Then the very meaning of RPG is against you as well. To RPG is to play a role, as the whole name suggest. It is to immerse yourself in shoes of a different man, or woman, who is not you. The very idea that you have to be able to fine-tune a character 100% to what you want it to be is silly, and while it's common in modern RPG world it is nevertheless wrong. Being able to 100% customize your character both physically and mentally is all fine and dandy, but from DOS2 I'm looking for exact opposite experience. We got pre-build stories for a reason, and I'm looking forward to the experience of role playing, of playing a role that is well defined and that is alien to me. There are plenty of games where 100% customization is the way to go - because there is no outline for who you play - but DOS2 is not that game.

A perfect scenario to bring up here is Witcher series. They are RPGs, more than the many open-world Bethesda games no less. You don't get to create a character, you don't get to play a edgelord dark mage, you don't get to change your gender. You get to grow your beard.

You play a role of Geralt. And I will say it - the Choice of Beard is more immersive for me than modern Bethesda games whole.

And that is because a pre-set story, pre-set character can be much more immersive in the first place. Much more nuanced and detailed, it ends up being a living and breathing construct, much easier to associate with, and much more fun to roleplay as. It presents you with background and means of your role, it teaches you to care for your living, your coins, your morale... it ends up so much more than mute, inconsequential, no-tone, zero-dimensional ultimate no-one that looks just like you. With no voice, no morals, no values, no story... sure, you will tell me - you can make up that story! But you can't. Your story, you - will never reflect in the eyes of the world, and if that is not immersion breaking, I don't know what is. Well, aside from your hips being slightly too wide on the inventory screen, DUH.

If the game forced me to use a premade character, I can kinda get into it, I'm following this characters story, not my own per se. However if we are allowed to make our own characters, give us more than half a dozen faces and hair types, you literally might as well not even have it if I know my character and a couple of my friends characters are going to look similar. I want to create MY character and make them look how I imagine or the best I can get, but when I'm told "here customize your character" and I feel like I have 3 options, it doesn't feel truly like mine when the next 20 people look the same based on the "options" we have. People have a different "immersion" when it's a premade character and story being told than when you are playing Fallout 4 and have finely tuned your character.

You don't need to make a custom character for an RPG game, but if you ARE going to have a custom character option, make it worthwhile, not half assed.

[kondzio3304]

xD

[Zero]

Why did u necrobump this?