Why are there people who say that Alien World Order is bad or lazy?

[Macario]

It is easily better than most of the original expansions, it has a new weapon made to keep many enemies under control since the number of enemies in this episode is larger compared to previous ones, mini versions of bosses, design and location of levels are very good, the only problem I find is that it is stuck in this version and probably most people play it with this horrible port and it damages the perception of these levels, but I have played Alien World Order in GDX and Raze and even in this cursed version and it's a blast to play.

[rarestMeow]

hello,

because people here hate Randy Pitchford and the manner of his handling of Duke Nukem franchise, like removing Megaton-edition in favor of his World Tour (for profit). and since Alien World Order is the biggest selling point of World Tour (and Randy's), hence people hate it

[Macario]

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

hello,

because people here hate Randy Pitchford and the manner of his handling of Duke Nukem franchise, like removing Megaton-edition in favor of his World Tour (for profit). and since Alien World Order is the biggest selling point of World Tour (and Randy's), hence people hate it

Yes, but hating Randy does not discredit the quality of those levels, there were talented people designing those levels too, and personaly I am not going to discredit their work either just because Randy is a piece of ♥♥♥♥, I understand hating the port itself, and the truth, it's kind of lame, but that episode is not bad at all.

[rarestMeow]

agree with you. but go explain it to F-Randy crowd here =)

[Cat]

People jumped on the randy-hate bandwagon and criticizes anything remotely connected to him. Some of them are megaton players who never played the episode or even tried world tour, just blinded by hate.

Or maybe they secretly love the episode deep inside, but never admits it to show hostility to randy. How could that many people say Alien World Order is worse than Nuclear Winter or half of the levels in The Birth?

[Macario]

Originally posted by Cat:

People jumped on the randy-hate bandwagon and criticizes anything remotely connected to him. Some of them are megaton players who never played the episode or even tried world tour, just blinded by hate.

Or maybe they secretly love the episode deep inside, but never admits it to show hostility to randy. How could that many people say Alien World Order is worse than Nuclear Winter or half of the levels in The Birth?

I know, it's ridiculous, just go to the Megaton edition forums and it's full of people saying that AWO is "lazy" oh downright bad. Nuclear winter feels like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mod, and personally I'm not a big fan of the Birth it has good levels, but other levels I get lost looking for a very BS location for the Key cards. Oh very stupid switch puzzles like Area 51 or the Disney parody level (can't remember the name) with that stupid target shooting part.

[haha nerds...]

The levels are good.

[Doomfrost]

It's ok for what it is, an expansion episode. It just adds a little extra to the base game. As far as expansion episode rankings. Duke it out in DC comes first, The Birth 2nd. and this one 3rd. Yes it adds a new weapon and an enemy, but I love the level design in those episodes more.

[Macario]

Originally posted by Doomfrost:

It's ok for what it is, an expansion episode. It just adds a little extra to the base game. As far as expansion episode rankings. Duke it out in DC comes first, The Birth 2nd. and this one 3rd. Yes it adds a new weapon and an enemy, but I love the level design in those episodes more.

Dc is extremely bland and tedious in my opinion, and I'm not just basing myself on the fact that it added a new weapon, AWO simply has a great level design, with very tough fights, and frankly even interesting with the minis versions of the bosses, I would have liked them to use more the new enemy that becomes small, meanwhile DC makes you fight like 20 pig cops with just the shotgun, HOW EXCITING, in addition to the location without very interesting, military bases, the desert, that strange Aztec coliseum, and the penultimate level its just top tier.

[ming84]

Episode is good. I don't believe Randy had much to do with this version. It was developed by Nerve Software. He's the Gearbox CEO, it's not like he's doing level design lol.

[Shallex]

Originally posted by ming84:

Episode is good. I don't believe Randy had much to do with this version. It was developed by Nerve Software. He's the Gearbox CEO, it's not like he's doing level design lol.

he designed levels for the original Duke Nukem 3D

[ming84]

Originally posted by Shallex:

Originally posted by ming84:

Episode is good. I don't believe Randy had much to do with this version. It was developed by Nerve Software. He's the Gearbox CEO, it's not like he's doing level design lol.

he designed levels for the original Duke Nukem 3D

Yes I know, but I doubt he had much to do with world tour.

[haha nerds...]

Originally posted by ming84:

Yes I know, but I doubt he had much to do with world tour.

He did build half of one of the new levels (London).

[Cat]

Yeah, DC is really good but that doesn't mean Alien World Order is bad.

[V I D A L]

The maps are great, but you can feel the laziness when it comes to the new weapon, new enemy and new boss.

New weapon is a reskin. New enemy is weird and gets tiny because it's easier to avoid having to do good sprite work and animate it. The boss is another reskin.

I still think this is the best new DN content since Atomic Edition. I only wish they had hired a good character artist to create a proper new enemy you actually can see and a new final boss.

It also needed a new CGI for the ending in the same style as the originals. That one 2D still image simply doesn't fit the presentation nor the art style. It needed to be a 3D render like the originals.

So yeah.. it does feel lazy around the edges.

[Cureless_Poison]

People hate it because of multiple reasons: A. Mindless hatred for Randy Pitchford. B. Misunderstanding the legal situation regarding the distribution license for Megaton Edition. C. People being ignorantly upset that the expansions are not included with World Tour edition. And probably a several others but I'm going with the primary.

Devolver Digital only got a three year licensing agreement for distribution of DN:3D, once the contract period ended they could no longer legally sell the game so purchasing options were removed.

Gearbox Software held the full IP rights are this point, but had not secured the distribution rights for the expansion packs. So wanting people to be able to still purchase and play DN:3D, they got some of the original crew back together and made all new content as well as adding some scrapped from the original game since they knew returning fans would be disappointed not having as much content.

They really went through a lot of effort for something that many people seem to scoff at as being a cheap cash grab when in reality they didn't have to do it at all. Considering they put in new content, new voice lines, a new hot-swappable graphics engine, developer commentary, modern hardware and console compatibility and the Xbox 360's "rewind system".

People sure make it out to be a much smaller dish than it is.

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

like removing Megaton-edition in favor of his World Tour (for profit).

This is false and a biased opinion piece.

Originally posted by ming84:

I don't believe Randy had much to do with this version. It was developed by Nerve Software. He's the Gearbox CEO, it's not like he's doing level design lol.

He's listed in the credits for AWO under "Additional Level Design" and recorded developer commentary going over designing the original levels, different details in the N64 version, etc.

Originally posted by V I D A L:

you can feel the laziness when it comes to the new weapon - New weapon is a reskin.

The Incinerator uses a new sprite with different details, different physics, different effects, different sounds and was originally intended to be in the game. It was scrapped because they couldn't make it work with the old build engine.

Originally posted by V I D A L:

New enemy is weird and gets tiny because it's easier to avoid having to do good sprite work and animate it.

I only wish they had hired a good character artist to create a proper new enemy you actually can see

The Firefly Trooper expands to a full size that's taller than Assault Troopers or Enforcers and was based off of scrapped designs for the original Assault Trooper. Additonally Nerve Software acquired the original leaked sprites from a community member that signed a non-disclosure agreement.

Originally posted by V I D A L:

The boss is another reskin.

The Cycloid Emperor is reused as a boss in Duke It out in DC and is reskinned in Life's a Beach. You're complaining about something that already exists in this franchise.

Originally posted by V I D A L:

It also needed a new CGI for the ending in the same style as the originals. That one 2D still image simply doesn't fit the presentation nor the art style. It needed to be a 3D render like the originals.

L.A. Meltdown & Lunar Apocalypse both end on still frame story beats. Shrapnel City ends on a still of the games logo. The Birth ends on a still frame of the development team. Nuclear Winter ends on a still frame story beat. Duke It Out In D.C. has no animation and ends on a still frame. Life's A Beach also has no animation and end's on a still frame. Alien World Order ends on an animated still...

Originally posted by V I D A L:

So yeah.. it does feel lazy around the edges.

The only thing that seems to be lazy here is your ability to research anything beyond a glance. Good day.