Remove Denuvo please !

[Lordecalibre]

then I buy !

[Kiss My Ax]

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

then I buy !

Then I guess you wont ever buy because I do not believe that will ever happen

[Lordecalibre]

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Originally posted by T.J.:

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

then I buy !

Then I guess you wont ever buy because I do not believe that will ever happen

i do not buy any game with drm denuvo !

Originally posted by Demi:

It doesn't matter. I don't see what the big deal is, denuvo won't actually stop you from playing the game, and it won't stop you from enjoying it.

I've played it several times now and will be playing it again when I find time, I've enjoyed it very much each time. Denuvo has never affected me. I don't understand why people would refuse to buy a game based on something that doesn't affect them.

If you buy this game, you could have hundreds of hours of enjoyment with no issues, so what's the big deal? Are you really going to let something so insignificant get in the way of having so much fun?

capcom removed the drm denuvo residenr evil 2 is 3 remake and the game and only compliments on the performance is the best without bugs !

like I said , i do not buy any game with drm denuvo

[KayteeCandy]

Petty reason to not play a game

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Originally posted by Demi:

It doesn't matter. I don't see what the big deal is, denuvo won't actually stop you from playing the game, and it won't stop you from enjoying it.

I've played it several times now and will be playing it again when I find time, I've enjoyed it very much each time. Denuvo has never affected me. I don't understand why people would refuse to buy a game based on something that doesn't affect them.

If you buy this game, you could have hundreds of hours of enjoyment with no issues, so what's the big deal? Are you really going to let something so insignificant get in the way of having so much fun?

People don't buy games with denuvo because it punishes the consumer for buying it legally. At least at this point it does, all while completely failing at its job because the game was cracked years ago at this point (less than a week from launch IIRC).

I can go download a cracked copy from some shady site of my choice and I'd be able to play it completely offline, with better peformance and less strain on my PC compared to the legal version. There's a clear problem with that which only harms law-abiding consumers. For some people this is a complete dealbreaker and for people in rural areas with bad internet or otherwise limited access to internet this is an outright punishment for them.

Hell you could probably find a cracked exe which takes out the denuvo scripts but leaves the steamworks DRM ones, letting you still use it with steam... probably a demand for that somewhere out there.

EDIT: and it's also looking like this will be the only tales game on steam with Denuvo, at this rate, seeing as Vesperia DE lacks it and Tales of Arise has no markings for it on the steam page as of yet. So it's also odd that it hasn't been removed yet in that sense too, seeing as there's no contractual reason to keep denuvo in for more than a year from how I understand they word their contracts. Plus removing it would be free publicity and probably worth the single workday of dev time it'd take to disable the associated code.

[Lordecalibre]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Originally posted by Demi:

It doesn't matter. I don't see what the big deal is, denuvo won't actually stop you from playing the game, and it won't stop you from enjoying it.

I've played it several times now and will be playing it again when I find time, I've enjoyed it very much each time. Denuvo has never affected me. I don't understand why people would refuse to buy a game based on something that doesn't affect them.

If you buy this game, you could have hundreds of hours of enjoyment with no issues, so what's the big deal? Are you really going to let something so insignificant get in the way of having so much fun?

People don't buy games with denuvo because it punishes the consumer for buying it legally. At least at this point it does, all while completely failing at its job because the game was cracked years ago at this point (less than a week from launch IIRC).

I can go download a cracked copy from some shady site of my choice and I'd be able to play it completely offline, with better peformance and less strain on my PC compared to the legal version. There's a clear problem with that which only harms law-abiding consumers. For some people this is a complete dealbreaker and for people in rural areas with bad internet or otherwise limited access to internet this is an outright punishment for them.

Hell you could probably find a cracked exe which takes out the denuvo scripts but leaves the steamworks DRM ones, letting you still use it with steam... probably a demand for that somewhere out there.

EDIT: and it's also looking like this will be the only tales game on steam with Denuvo, at this rate, seeing as Vesperia DE lacks it and Tales of Arise has no markings for it on the steam page as of yet. So it's also odd that it hasn't been removed yet in that sense too, seeing as there's no contractual reason to keep denuvo in for more than a year from how I understand they word their contracts. Plus removing it would be free publicity and probably worth the single workday of dev time it'd take to disable the associated code.

spoke very well !

[Chillin]

im not sure how you can get better performance since the game has no performance issues to begin with. i play it maxed out at 4k with TOB fix HD textures and all settings maxed out + reshade with no problems.

[Lordecalibre]

Originally posted by Demi:

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

People don't buy games with denuvo because it punishes the consumer for buying it legally. At least at this point it does, all while completely failing at its job because the game was cracked years ago at this point (less than a week from launch IIRC).

I can go download a cracked copy from some shady site of my choice and I'd be able to play it completely offline, with better peformance and less strain on my PC compared to the legal version. There's a clear problem with that which only harms law-abiding consumers. For some people this is a complete dealbreaker and for people in rural areas with bad internet or otherwise limited access to internet this is an outright punishment for them.

Hell you could probably find a cracked exe which takes out the denuvo scripts but leaves the steamworks DRM ones, letting you still use it with steam... probably a demand for that somewhere out there.

EDIT: and it's also looking like this will be the only tales game on steam with Denuvo, at this rate, seeing as Vesperia DE lacks it and Tales of Arise has no markings for it on the steam page as of yet. So it's also odd that it hasn't been removed yet in that sense too, seeing as there's no contractual reason to keep denuvo in for more than a year from how I understand they word their contracts. Plus removing it would be free publicity and probably worth the single workday of dev time it'd take to disable the associated code.

Oh I absolutely get it. You're right, denuvo isn't consumer friendly, nor does it even perform it's intended function well. But like you said there are a number of ways to get around denuvo so it shouldn't keep someone from experiencing a game. All I'm saying is that I'm currently able to play the game without denuvo ever getting in the way, and the second it does get in the way I'll crack it easily, so while I don't like denuvo as a matter of principle... it's actually completely powerless. The issue seems so easy to work around that it's barely worth mention.

I want to buy and play the original game honestly !
if i wanted i wouldn't even have wasted my time here asking for this, i would just download the pirated version, play and have fun without spending 1 cent.

[Kiss My Ax]

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

Originally posted by Demi:

Oh I absolutely get it. You're right, denuvo isn't consumer friendly, nor does it even perform it's intended function well. But like you said there are a number of ways to get around denuvo so it shouldn't keep someone from experiencing a game. All I'm saying is that I'm currently able to play the game without denuvo ever getting in the way, and the second it does get in the way I'll crack it easily, so while I don't like denuvo as a matter of principle... it's actually completely powerless. The issue seems so easy to work around that it's barely worth mention.

I want to buy and play the original game honestly !
if i wanted i wouldn't even have wasted my time here asking for this, i would just download the pirated version, play and have fun without spending 1 cent.

Tell me how would you like it if someone stole something from you? Because when you download a pirated game no matter how you look at it It's stealing!!!

[Lordecalibre]

Originally posted by T.J.:

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

I want to buy and play the original game honestly !
if i wanted i wouldn't even have wasted my time here asking for this, i would just download the pirated version, play and have fun without spending 1 cent.

Tell me how would you like it if someone stole something from you? Because when you download a pirated game no matter how you look at it It's stealing!!!

a two-way street , the DRM denuvo steals my data and then how is it?

you know nothing innocent !

[Kiss My Ax]

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

Originally posted by T.J.:

Tell me how would you like it if someone stole something from you? Because when you download a pirated game no matter how you look at it It's stealing!!!

a two-way street , the DRM denuvo steals my data and then how is it?

you know nothing innocent !

Believe me you are way wrong because I know why that is put into some games and you really do not know what your talking about!!!!

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I too am still waiting for them to patch this crap Denuvo out. Come on dev/publishers. This game is literally almost freeware elsewhere, why can't I get it from you guys legitimately?

[lephro]

Originally posted by T.J.:

Originally posted by Lordecalibre:

a two-way street , the DRM denuvo steals my data and then how is it?

you know nothing innocent !

Believe me you are way wrong because I know why that is put into some games and you really do not know what your talking about!!!!

Ye exactly what iam thinking. Iam a software dev and lets say very experienced with digital security. I can tell you that your knowledge about Denovu is barely at the surface. You seem to me like a rebel kiddo trying to rebel against something, just for the sake of rebelling. I would be suprised if youre older than 20. Anyways: Youre a so called noob in my eyes and embarassing yourself here.

Do whatever you like. No one cares if you buy the game or now. By using a crack you open yourself to a much bigger risk you would ever get from any DRM.... it makes your posts quite hilarious in my eyes...

Go play the cracked version. LMAO

[martingolding96]

Originally posted by DRUNK_CANADIAN:

I too am still waiting for them to patch this crap Denuvo out. Come on dev/publishers. This game is literally almost freeware elsewhere, why can't I get it from you guys legitimately?

How is it freeware when I just BOUGHT it?

[Dellono]

Denuvo never was a problem for pirates, It only punishes legit customers. I rarely buy games with denuvo and of all denuvo games i have, i think, only MGS5 and God Eater have zero problems, like stuttering and crashes. Berseria, on the other hand, do have a memory leak, at least in my case. The longer i play, the worse it gets. Stuttering, i mean

[lephro]

Originally posted by Dellono:

Denuvo never was a problem for pirates, It only punishes legit customers. I rarely buy games with denuvo and of all denuvo games i have, i think, only MGS5 and God Eater have zero problems, like stuttering and crashes. Berseria, on the other hand, do have a memory leak, at least in my case. The longer i play, the worse it gets. Stuttering, i mean

I dont know of any game where denuvo gave me problems. I got over 600 games... not a single one. Tales of Beseria has no known memory leak. I run it for hours without any change in memory size. There is also no stuttering or anything... game run locked on 60fps anyways (which is a bit of a shame). Its highly unlikely that you get a memory leak from Denovu.

The only known Denovu problems occured as the first games got shipped with Denovu. Devs didnt know how to implement it properly, which lead to performance issues. Nowadays you wont even notice Denuvo. The performance issue that Denovu causes is a myth, that spread amongs noobs who just repeat ♥♥♥♥ they heard somewhere.

If Denovu gets removed you also often get a bit of performance. This is most often due to the fact, that devs actually improve their code as they remove denovu and ship those changes in a single patch. I know about quite a lot of game where that happenend and people were just to stupid to read the dev notes that clearly stated that they made performance optimizations. People only see "Ohh denovu got removed... ohh now i get 10fps more... wow must be because of Denovu". I think Doom was one of the big games where that happenend and people went nuts without any reason.

I was against Denovu for quite some time until i informed myself and also had the opportunity to talk to devs who use it.

Denovu itself is also not ment to prevent piracy completely. Its made so its hard enough that crackers can't crack it for a week or two. Most games do 75% of their sales in the first weeks. Thats the timespan a dev wants to protect their property, so that their sales don't get impacted by groups that release cracks. Especially the cracked releases of games that get released before the releaase date can hurt devs a a lot. After that timespan no one cares about cracks anymore.

However; Denuvu is not your enemy. If you think that it is, than you're most likely a noob without understanding of game dev or its industry... Young people are somehow especially prone to that. They often have a very simple view on things :D