*SPOILERS* Innominat / Laphicet clarification

[Grimoire]

I just finished Berseria and am right between absolutely loving that ending, and hating it with a fiery passion.

It all comes down to whether or not if the 'Innominat' we see was ACTUALLY a reincarnation of Laphicet, or if he/it only has Laphicet's memories and nothing else.

If it was Laphi, the ending was actually extremely touching, what with them going on adventures in their minds during their eternity of sleep. Something they could never have done before due to Laphi's damn sickness.

If that's just Innominat with stolen memories(Stolen memories for... reasons?), the whole ending is dark and extremely depressing.

There has to be a reason for that in-credit epilogue other than fluff. There has to be a reason he went full on Laphi at the end after he was defeated. Plus Innominat as a character (Especially regarding the ending) would have no emotional weight if he was simply just a "God" character.

What do you guys think?

[Tyrone Biggums]

it was her brother

[Simon]

It is pretty obvious that Innominat is actually a reincarnation of the Laphicet.

Technically, Innominat and Laphicet are two different individuals. However, he didn't steal Laphi's memories. The game already explained in one of the skits that, in rare cases, reincarnated Malakhim may retain the memories of their past life when they were human.

If you played Zestiria and reached the shrine of the Earth Trial, the guardian seraph(malak) of that temple also mentioned the same thing. About how a seraph may retain their memories of their past life in some cases even after reincarnation

[Grimoire]

That's what I was thinking. But then you got hoards of people swearing up and down that "It was definitely not Laphi." without much to back that up. So I had my worries xD

[Fel]

It's not that it's not him at all, but innominat has goals that directly conflict with the goal of the original laphicet, the most notable one being around how they want to treat velvet.

One wants to first corrupts her before eating said corruption, effectively using her as a sacrifice, while the other wanted to protect her from suffering.

The resulting individual becomes a mish-mash of both, and his mental age clearly regressed to what a small child would be (smaller than the original laphicet at the start of the game).
Whether or not the age regression is a part of artorius' plan to control him or not is left unknown, but it does make him easier to handle.

Basically, you have a 3-5 years old child that happens to have enough power to "reset" humanity's progresses to very early stages and that wants to feed on those "sins" as his food.
Because of his old memories, he is attached in a strange way to both velvet and artorius, while at the same time being aware that he is not a human or family with them, making him cling onto artorius and being that close to becoming insane and unleashing his powers randomly, possibly threatening the world a lot more than what innominat usually does.

[Giro]

You know, it makes no sense putting "spoilers" when the title itself is a pretty big spoiler. I've already beaten the game so I'm not spoiled, I'm just saying for the sake of people who haven't finished the game

[Finiks]

Innominat is laphicet velvets younger brother. I'm 100% sure he keep his memory alone the fact that hee show velvet.a few of them in the first encounter. Phi isn't laphicet phi is artorius child that died with her mother (velvets sister and seles).

[korytoombs]

The biggest spoiler is....

Laphicent chooses to die. He asked Atorius to kill him.
Then Velvet decides that she still doesn't care.

[Giro]

Originally posted by korytoombs:

The biggest spoiler is....

Laphicent chooses to die. He asked Atorius to kill him.
Then Velvet decides that she still doesn't care.

Why would you add even more spoilers?

[Grimoire]

Originally posted by Giroliro3:

You know, it makes no sense putting "spoilers" when the title itself is a pretty big spoiler. I've already beaten the game so I'm not spoiled, I'm just saying for the sake of people who haven't finished the game

You read "SPOILERS" and you continue reading the rest of the title? How stupid are you? Having this same discussion with people on GameFAQs and some idiot is saying the same thing over there. Probably the same person.

[Giro]

Originally posted by Larom:

Originally posted by Giroliro3:

You know, it makes no sense putting "spoilers" when the title itself is a pretty big spoiler. I've already beaten the game so I'm not spoiled, I'm just saying for the sake of people who haven't finished the game

You read "SPOILERS" and you continue reading the rest of the title? How stupid are you? Having this same discussion with people on GameFAQs and some idiot is saying the same thing over there. Probably the same person.

Good Title: "*Spoilers* Ending clarification?"

Bad Title: "*Spoilers* Why does (person) die?"

I didn't get spoiled by this post at all because I've beaten the game.

You're supposed to put *Spoilers* in the title to warn people about content INSIDE the post. You don't put spoilers inside the title because everyone reads forum titles regardless if they've finished the game or not.

[Grimoire]

Originally posted by Giroliro3:

Originally posted by Larom:

You read "SPOILERS" and you continue reading the rest of the title? How stupid are you? Having this same discussion with people on GameFAQs and some idiot is saying the same thing over there. Probably the same person.

Good Title: "*Spoilers* Ending clarification?"

Bad Title: "*Spoilers* Why does (person) die?"

I didn't get spoiled by this post at all because I've beaten the game.

You're supposed to put *Spoilers* in the title to warn people about content INSIDE the post. You don't put spoilers inside the title because everyone reads forum titles regardless if they've finished the game or not.

Oh you're funny.

The title to this thread doesn't make sense for someone who hasn't finished the game to begin with AND read the whole post I wrote. "*SPOILERS* Innominat / Laphicet clarification" to someone that hasn't beaten the game is complete gibberish. From the title, you can't even tell what Laphi i'm talking about. Nor can you tell what Innominat / Laphicet even means. You're causing drama to cause drama. Your argument is completely invailid and is silly.

[Giro]

Originally posted by Larom:

Originally posted by Giroliro3:

Good Title: "*Spoilers* Ending clarification?"

Bad Title: "*Spoilers* Why does (person) die?"

I didn't get spoiled by this post at all because I've beaten the game.

You're supposed to put *Spoilers* in the title to warn people about content INSIDE the post. You don't put spoilers inside the title because everyone reads forum titles regardless if they've finished the game or not.

Oh you're funny.

The title to this thread doesn't make sense for someone who hasn't finished the game to begin with AND read the whole post I wrote. "*SPOILERS* Innominat / Laphicet clarification" to someone that hasn't beaten the game is complete gibberish. From the title, you can't even tell what Laphi i'm talking about. Nor can you tell what Innominat / Laphicet even means. You're causing drama to cause drama. Your argument is completely invailid and is silly.

It shows there is a relationship between Laphicet and Innominat and for people who haven't played the later parts of the game, that's still a spoiler even if you don't outright say exactly what happened.

By the way, you're the one making the huge deal out of this, I was simply informing you that there was a spoiler in the title, and you seem to have gotten pissed off for whatever reason I can't begin to understand.

[Kuro]

I guess I'm the only one that really got sad at the ending...

Velvet fights all the time to get her revenge, and at the end she actually kills Arthorius, but it just feels empty. She didn't want that after all. And Innominat is a b***h XD

But yeah, Innominat is not Laphicet. Rather, he is Laphicet reincarnated with his memories, but the person is different. He just uses Laphi's memories so he can manipulate Velvet (also: best part of the game. He actually broke Velvet's mind).

And now I'm here wishing that they do a sequel to Berseria where Velvet is still alive and lives happly with Eizen <3

[korytoombs]

I feel in mid discussion of a thread that reads spoilers gives you pleanty of chance to not read the thread.

[Giro]

Originally posted by korytoombs:

I feel in mid discussion of a thread that reads spoilers gives you pleanty of chance to not read the thread.

You're right. However, my concern wasn't about people reading spoilers, it just seemed like you were putting spoilers in for spoiler's sake since your post was absolutely unrelated to the OP's question. Not once did anyone ask what the biggest spoiler of the game was.