Tales of Berseria

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Daddy Kaneki Feb 24, 2017 @ 9:15pm
Is it just me or....(spoilers)
...is there a lot of hints towards Rokurou x Eleanor? >~>

And I'm not just talking about the part towards the end where he asks her out. If you look at all the optional skits, there are multiple where they talk and Eleanor is really taking a subtle liking to him.

It's not blunt or obvious, but the two of them have a bit of chemistry going on as the game goes on.

Also let me reiterate (because I'm sure there are people that will just skim my post and go "just cuz they talked at the end doesn't mean they're OTP lel kek ecks dee") that I am not SOLELY speaking about Rokurou asking her to go out together towards the end of the game. I'm saying there were multiple other scenes and skits, most of them optional, that have slight flirtatious undertones.

Am I the only one who noticed this?

Also, I'm pretty sure that if he really wanted to, Rokurou could bang both Eleanor and Velvet. She's always so...intrigued by his training scenes throughout the game. And towards the end of the game in Meirchio when he was brooding about how Shigure is better than him because Shigure is still human, Velvet consoled him and said that he does have human qualities. She explained to him how hard he's willing to fight and bleed to accomplish his goals, while never abandoning his friends. I know full well that this is merely one friend consoling another friend, however the point I'm getting at is that this clearly shows that Velvet truly cares about Rokurou. She sees him as a good friend but if he wanted to, I'm sure he has the ability to slide into those demon DM's.

Poor Eizen though; he seems like he'd much rather be alone. I think he'd reject any woman simply because he doesn't want to get emotionally attached to them, because of his curse. Even with Phoenix to help him protect Edna from his curse together, he still won't visit her because he prefers his life aboard Aifread's ship. Yet at the same time, Eizen doesn't seem like the type of person who would want one night stands. He is not the type of person to enjoy fleeting moments of pleasure. Eizen is all-or-nothing. Either he loves someone enough to do it with them, or he won't do it. I don't think anyone is a match for Eizen, but it makes sense as he himself is a very unique person to the point where even if he was interested in being in a relationship, there's barely anybody that would be able to match well with him, simply because of how unique of a man that he is. And it's not a bad thing at all even though it may cause loneliness, because I'm sure he would rather be who he is than dumb himself down for the sake of being with someone.

Lastly, I know that nothing has been confirmed. You don't have to tell me that. I'm also aware that "this doesn't prove this and that" and whatnot. I was simply making observations for the sake of discussion. There may not be outright proof or evidence of anything going on but you'd be silly if you said there weren't heavy hints between these characters.
Last edited by Daddy Kaneki; Feb 24, 2017 @ 9:17pm
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ysbag Feb 24, 2017 @ 10:44pm 
I got that vibe as well but it's too bad they didn't solidify anything in the end.
Fel Feb 24, 2017 @ 10:51pm 
I want to say that it's mostly you, but it might also be me not seeing it.

The vibe I get is that the only thing she admires in him is his dedication to his training, martial arts and "way".
Eleonore trained for years in order to be able to fight, and even since the start of the game, she is shown to want to keep her eyes open and her head high, to stay true to what she believes as "good".

Rokurou is basically an extreme version of what she aspires to be (although she would like to add "justice" in there too), and doesn't try to push his ways on others, only offering advices when needed, and support the rest of the time.

He also doesn't just brood over shigure being human, but him still being so much better than himself despite not throwing away his humanity (going as far as restraining himself for the sake of training to overcome his own boss purely with his own power).
In every case of people transforming into demons, they get a big boost in power, so a "mere" human, without using a spirit, without deception, just with pure strength and skill managing to be nearly as strong as the strongest demons and armatus using an empyrean is worthy of recognition (especially for rokurou that is pursuing a very similar route, but with the benefits of not being a human anymore).

For Velvet though, I doubt she would ever agree to be with anyone, seeing how the only "happy couple" she saw ended with the husband sacrificing the entire family of the woman he loved once she died (and her death could already be argued to be because of him and/or melchior too).
The man then sees his wife and unborn son reborn as spirit, and goes strait into using them as tools and sacrifices too, so "love" might be something she will never believe into, aside from her affection for her youger brother that borders on incest.

That said, it's purely how I personally take it, most of it is definitely open for interpretation, so I don't think it's necessarily wrong to take it the way you did.
Daddy Kaneki Feb 24, 2017 @ 11:04pm 
Originally posted by Fel:
aside from her affection for her youger brother that borders on incest.

Whoa there buddy, I'm a big pervert and not even I thought there was any incestual undertone or incestual innuendo in Velvet's interactions with Laphicet and Malakicet. There is a lot of affection sure, but anything sexual is completely nonexistent.
Dragon Ball G! Feb 24, 2017 @ 11:05pm 
I definitely see it, it's nice to see the change considering how much time she also spends chewing him out for his decisions and "x because you're a demon" stuff.
Fel Feb 24, 2017 @ 11:16pm 
Originally posted by Eizen:
Originally posted by Fel:
aside from her affection for her youger brother that borders on incest.

Whoa there buddy, I'm a big pervert and not even I thought there was any incestual undertone or incestual innuendo in Velvet's interactions with Laphicet and Malakicet. There is a lot of affection sure, but anything sexual is completely nonexistent.
You prefer the lighter term "bro-con" maybe?
She does have an unhealthy attachement to him, to the point where she wants to control his life even back when they were living (sure, he was also sick, but there is a conversation where she definitely states that one of the big reasons why he can't go study in the capital is because she would be lonely).

During the whole "trying to break Velvet's will for despair" part, it is also clearly shown that innominat isn't actually her brother, but an entity with his appearance and memories (he does seem to believe that he is still her brother though).
I mean, the main reason for him to willingly become the sacrifice was to save and protect her, and yet innominat is going to great length to torment her, before sacrificing her (or at least trying to).

I am not sure about the sexual component, but their relationship definitely goes past the boundaries of family (even if you say she takes both mother and sister roles), and the 3 years she spent in prison with hatred and revenge as companions definitely made that brother take way too much space in her mind and heart.
I mean, she initially only takes care of the spirit laphicet because he reminds her so much of him, frequently confusing the two.
Daddy Kaneki Feb 24, 2017 @ 11:24pm 
Originally posted by Fel:
she definitely states that one of the big reasons why he can't go study in the capital is because she would be lonely).

Don't you think you took that statement a tad too seriously?

To me it's more of a "lolz but I'll miss you" instead of what you're implying which is: "no you CAN'T go because I NEED you because I'm OBSESSED with you"

Also, Malakicet reminding her of Laphicet is a big plot point. It's not supposed to be a point of contention to her character. A big part of Malakicet's character development is proving to Velvet that he is a different person, but still a brother (of sorts) to her. That's why she started calling him Phi. The confusion was intentional; that's what Malakicet was trying to change about her. And he did. She mixed them up at first, and that was the point, so Malakicet could spark a change inside of her in addition to proving to her that he is his own person.
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Fel Feb 24, 2017 @ 11:41pm 
I get what you say, but with all of it put together, I still feel that her attachements to her brother isn't just familiar love and care.

Definitely the one in the "past" feels more like a light hearted reason, but through the whole story I couldn't shake the feeling that she didn't see things strait only when it comes to killing artorius and with everything that reminds her of her brother.

An other example is how she remains in the "illusion" for longer than it took to find out that it wasn't the truth because she wanted to be with him (even basically taking away things from spirit laphicet for a while).
You can definitely see it just as wanting to remain a bit longer in a place is where she felt the most comfortable in the past, with both her best friend and her brother still alive too though.

It's like I said in my first post, a lot of those points are very much open for speculation and interpretation, so how you piece together and see things will vary from one person to the next (which I find really nice, not having everything force-fed to you once in a while).

Your vision is definitely valid, and probably closer to what the writers intended (not sure about the couple thing though, because they would probably have made dual mystic for them if it was really the case I think, but it's still fun to see how people see the non-main-story bits).
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Date Posted: Feb 24, 2017 @ 9:15pm
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