One big unanswered question [Spoilers]

[Silk]

So, even after completing the game I was hoping for yet never got an explanation for Velvet's claw. If she simply became a demon due to anger & malevolence, then why did she remain part human and only her hand transform (whereas everyone else is completely transformed by malevolence)? Why is her hand so insanely powerful compared to other 100% demon transformations? I was hoping it had something to do with innominat spiralling out and perhaps glancing past her arm / infecting it, but I guess I'll never know.

[Fel]

Well, you could argue that her arm is her "real body" as a therion, or that it is actually not hers to begin with.
She does lose her arm, falls in the hole together with the sacrifice, is ejected and ends up with that arm.

For the most part, therions seem to not be transformed normally by mallevolence, and are the only ones capable to go back to a form that's mostly their original.

By the way, the demonification differs from one case to the next too, you have Rokurou that is definitely a demon transformed by his malevolence, and yet his exterior apperance barely differs from his original (a red eye and a black tatoo on his face, and if the bath costumes are canon then the rest of the body seem normal too).


The reason why the arm is significantly more potent than others is because of what happens at the end of the prison escape sequence, she eats a power that is supposed to be strong enough to be a key for the armatus development.
That's when you gain the ability to take the arm out in battle to get your therion form, and it is shown to contain the power to break the "cages" just like the spirit that she ate did for her cage.

All of it is in the prologue and the escape sequence that follows, so I'm not sure about the need to put the spoiler tag on all of it.

[salatrin]

Originally posted by Fel:

All of it is in the prologue and the escape sequence that follows, so I'm not sure about the need to put the spoiler tag on all of it.

And yet you did so anyways :P

[Baalk]

Remember the power she get when eat Seres.

and why only her arm? well probally because it was cut off, Rokuro as well he's half human and only part of his head/eye change

[Sofia]

We don't actually know that Velvet is more powerful than the other seven therions. We do know for a fact that all therions can eat malevolence, so it's possible that all of them can do the 'I hit you and gain a special ability for a while' thing. It's also possible that skill was granted to Velvet by the proto-armatization arte that Seres carried inside her, and if that's the case this is likely why Velvet is so powerful.

As for why Velvet looks more human than the other daemons, at the end of the day it's because if Velvet looked like Medissa or Komoana she wouldn't be as attractive and nobody wants an unattractive main character, male OR female.

[Fel]

Originally posted by Dri:

As for why Velvet looks more human than the other daemons, at the end of the day it's because if Velvet looked like Medissa or Komoana she wouldn't be as attractive and nobody wants an unattractive main character, male OR female.

That's debatable, everyone's fetish is different after all, but yeah j-rpg usually feature human-like protagonists to have the whole "humans fighting monsters" feel.

It would be fun to see what they would do with more unusual body types though, like a harpy, a medusa, a mole and other monsters that could be humanoid and equip weapons and other similar equipments, but have different body parts.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by Fel:

Originally posted by Dri:

As for why Velvet looks more human than the other daemons, at the end of the day it's because if Velvet looked like Medissa or Komoana she wouldn't be as attractive and nobody wants an unattractive main character, male OR female.

That's debatable, everyone's fetish is different after all, but yeah j-rpg usually feature human-like protagonists to have the whole "humans fighting monsters" feel.

It would be fun to see what they would do with more unusual body types though, like a harpy, a medusa, a mole and other monsters that could be humanoid and equip weapons and other similar equipments, but have different body parts.

When in doubt always try to appeal to the common denominator. Personally I wish they'd made Velvet start turning into a Heldalf-like daemon the further along the story went, she already had the claws, coat and hair to pull it off, but oh well. It's the same reason Rokurou looks mostly human compared to the other daemons too.

[The Tempted Man]

Then theres a problem with consistency. Once her claw devours everything, once it leaves a body, other time it doesnt, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mess. Basically her claw does whatever the plot needs her to do, it can even withstand a heat from lava......

[Arkeus]

There is a sidequest at the end of the game at the temple/seal where Velvet became a Therion that explains it.

Basically there were two 'spells' from The Empire that conquered the lands before Claudin Asgard rebelled and established his own dynasty: Siegfried and Brynhir.

Siegfried you should have seen a lot, it's Zaveid's weapon and it's a imbuing/alteration/amplification ability, while Brynhir is a control/restriction/absorbtion magic.
Those two together became the magic used by Sorey in Zestiria.

Seres was forced into using a Oath where her 'Death' would complete Brynhir, so that it could be analized by Melchior. However she was strong enough of will to 'choose' her death, and decided to get eaten by Velvet so that Velvet obtains Brynhir.

[Silk]

Originally posted by Arkeus:

There is a sidequest at the end of the game at the temple/seal where Velvet became a Therion that explains it.

Basically there were two 'spells' from The Empire that conquered the lands before Claudin Asgard rebelled and established his own dynasty: Siegfried and Brynhir.

Siegfried you should have seen a lot, it's Zaveid's weapon and it's a imbuing/alteration/amplification ability, while Brynhir is a control/restriction/absorbtion magic.
Those two together became the magic used by Sorey in Zestiria.

Seres was forced into using a Oath where her 'Death' would complete Brynhir, so that it could be analized by Melchior. However she was strong enough of will to 'choose' her death, and decided to get eaten by Velvet so that Velvet obtains Brynhir.

Velvet already had absorption powers before seres - she was nomming demons/malevolence with her demon arm on a daily basis. It never really felt that seres gave her any power beyond what she already had (i.e. the arm and the power to absorb malevolence).

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Arkeus:

Seres was forced into using a Oath where her 'Death' would complete Brynhir, so that it could be analized by Melchior. However she was strong enough of will to 'choose' her death, and decided to get eaten by Velvet so that Velvet obtains Brynhir.

I never even heard of this Brynhir thing, it's post ex dungeon?

Originally posted by Silk:

Velvet already had absorption powers before seres - she was nomming demons/malevolence with her demon arm on a daily basis. It never really felt that seres gave her any power beyond what she already had (i.e. the arm and the power to absorb malevolence).

It would make much more sense that Seres gave Velvet the ability to trigger various status effect, therefore making her a unique Therion.

[Silk]

Originally posted by Baalk:

Remember the power she get when eat Seres.

and why only her arm? well probally because it was cut off, Rokuro as well he's half human and only part of his head/eye change

Her arm wasn't' cut off? Her hand got stabbed though, according to the cut scene. I'm equally annoyed that we don't get Rokoru's demon backstory. He's not even a therion and yet somehow human form-demon.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Silk:

Originally posted by Baalk:

Remember the power she get when eat Seres.

and why only her arm? well probally because it was cut off, Rokuro as well he's half human and only part of his head/eye change

Her arm wasn't' cut off? Her hand got stabbed though, according to the cut scene. I'm equally annoyed that we don't get Rokoru's demon backstory. He's not even a therion and yet somehow human form-demon.

Artorius cut of her arm, her movement during the fall, would hint at that.

[ysbag]

Imagine if Velvet got to keep all daemons she ate during those 3 years. she'd be even more OP. lol

You get the abilty to use Velvet's Break Soul when you get the ring from Seres, but that's only gameplay wise I'd assume since Velvet could use her arm to eat stuff story wise the whole time.

[Arkeus]

Originally posted by Silk:

Velvet already had absorption powers before seres - she was nomming demons/malevolence with her demon arm on a daily basis. It never really felt that seres gave her any power beyond what she already had (i.e. the arm and the power to absorb malevolence).

Velvet had an absorbtion power like all Therion do beforehand, hence why when she could absorb Brynhir, but she needed Brynhir to actually turn it into something special.

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

I never even heard of this Brynhir thing, it's post ex dungeon?

Before you go to the Empyrean Throne at the end of the game there is like 20 sidequests that open up. This is one of them, though I am unsure exactly what you must do for it to appear. I think Shigure's cat in Yseult tells you about it?

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Arkeus:

Originally posted by Silk:

Velvet already had absorption powers before seres - she was nomming demons/malevolence with her demon arm on a daily basis. It never really felt that seres gave her any power beyond what she already had (i.e. the arm and the power to absorb malevolence).

Velvet had an absorbtion power like all Therion do beforehand, hence why when she could absorb Brynhir, but she needed Brynhir to actually turn it into something special.

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

I never even heard of this Brynhir thing, it's post ex dungeon?

Before you go to the Empyrean Throne at the end of the game there is like 20 sidequests that open up. This is one of them, though I am unsure exactly what you must do for it to appear. I think Shigure's cat in Yseult tells you about it?

If i remember right, Morgrim tells you that an earthpulse has appeared. I did that quest. It reveals Seres backstory, but for the love of me I dont remember this Brynhir thing at all.