R19 and 20 grinding

[The Tempted Man]

I am running out of ideas here, I have diffculty on chaos, the recipe that give 1.5 loot, every character has active the title that gives 1.2 loot, and dark bottle. It's still a pain to get any of those, I am constantly doing dangerous encounters too.....

Anything else that can be done to fasten this tedious process?

[Dex]

Uhm where do you farm it ? Ex dungeon? like im on middle, and i get a ♥♥♥♥ ton of it in the ex dungeon^^

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Dex:

Uhm where do you farm it ? Ex dungeon? like im on middle, and i get a ♥♥♥♥ ton of it in the ex dungeon^^

Ex dungeon, 4-6 floors, afaik they are supposed to be there. And they are, just rarely as hell. Billions of adamantine weapons but R20 for weapons for every character is a pain to loot.

[Dex]

Rlly?? its quite easy, like, dropping 20 and 21. It just takes some time.

[Fel]

There are some earlier equipments that have item drop boosts on their "locked" skills, but yeah, farming a specific item can take a while.

Just remember, enemies in the same fight have higher chances of dropping their item as you kill more of them (in that fight, not in total), so finishing the last of the enemies that drop what you want with a mystic arte after you killed 5-6 of them usually is a good way to go.

For the same reason, if you can do dangerous encounters with 2 of the same enemy, your chances should be significantly boosted on the last enemies.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Lord Of Calamity⎠⎞:

Go to portal 2 in the Ex dungeon, if you get a room with enemies, then port out, go back to portal 2, repleat until you reach the tresure room. On chaos it will give R19-20-21 loot from the boxes wtih 2-3-4 random stats. Also a good way to farm unlimited katz spiritz. You will be able to get your whole team geared up with +10 enchanted gear pretty fast.

I found out a treasure room on floor 6, but it always gave me the same items. Save/reload doesnt randomize it, I wonder if 2nd floor is any different. YOu dont have to leave the dungeon or you have to?

[9kix9y]

You can teleport out of the dungeon and teleport into your desired floor to spawn the treasure room. If you don't get the Treasure Room, just teleport out and in again. Saving when inside the treasure room don't randomize it I think.

Some of the R19 and R20 equipments can only spawn from Treasure Chest, but R19 Female Boot will only spawn in Treasure Chest on 0th and 1st floor. It's stupid, I keep spawning floor 4-6 treasure room for nothing.

Spreadsheet: goo. gl/yNTpff (look for the Optional Dungeon Chest tab)

[Broso]

Getting R20 and R21 once for mastering them is easy enough. Still took me a couple hours to get a full set for the whole party.

HOWEVER considering that you may want additional ones with better random skills on them which you can't even carry over to a NG+ the drop rates are definitely too low. Like, seriously this is not balanced at all.

Players are expected to farm for hours every time they want to get a new set and then the random skills may be crappy AND if you do get some good stuff, on your next playthrough that won't be worth ♥♥♥♥ as you will have to go through all of that again. That's just bad design there.

[Broso]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Lord Of Calamity⎠⎞:

Skills don't matter as much as stats. The only stat you want the most of least with Velvet is focus because the faster you can regerate souls the more you can be in therion form. Why does therion form matter so much? It makes you immortal as long as your in it is why and you can't die even if you have 1 hp in therion form it can't go to zero if you get hit. Besides R20 and R21 give you enough base stats as it is. Get all +10 gear then worry about min/maxing.

So basically what you're saying is that the random skill mechanic is pretty much meaningless, hence bad design.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by penislord:

You can teleport out of the dungeon and teleport into your desired floor to spawn the treasure room. If you don't get the Treasure Room, just teleport out and in again. Saving when inside the treasure room don't randomize it I think.

Some of the R19 and R20 equipments can only spawn from Treasure Chest, but R19 Female Boot will only spawn in Treasure Chest on 0th and 1st floor. It's stupid, I keep spawning floor 4-6 treasure room for nothing.

Spreadsheet: goo. gl/yNTpff (look for the Optional Dungeon Chest tab)

I am having doubt acbout accuracy of this spreadsheet. I spent 2 hours grinding and I couldnt get an item thats supposedly spawns on that floor from mobs. I must try that thing with finishing an enemy with mystic arte, but how you are supposed to know which mob drops what?

[Broso]

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

Originally posted by penislord:

You can teleport out of the dungeon and teleport into your desired floor to spawn the treasure room. If you don't get the Treasure Room, just teleport out and in again. Saving when inside the treasure room don't randomize it I think.

Some of the R19 and R20 equipments can only spawn from Treasure Chest, but R19 Female Boot will only spawn in Treasure Chest on 0th and 1st floor. It's stupid, I keep spawning floor 4-6 treasure room for nothing.

Spreadsheet: goo. gl/yNTpff (look for the Optional Dungeon Chest tab)

I am having doubt acbout accuracy of this spreadsheet. I spent 2 hours grinding and I couldnt get an item thats supposedly spawns on that floor from mobs. I must try that thing with finishing an enemy with mystic arte, but how you are supposed to know which mob drops what?

Which item are you looking for?

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

I am having doubt acbout accuracy of this spreadsheet. I spent 2 hours grinding and I couldnt get an item thats supposedly spawns on that floor from mobs. I must try that thing with finishing an enemy with mystic arte, but how you are supposed to know which mob drops what?

Which item are you looking for?

The r20 weapons I believe and r20 armors, for the whole party.

[Broso]

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Which item are you looking for?

The r20 weapons I believe and r20 armors, for the whole party.

Just the weapons? No accessories?

The R20 armors are Mumbane, dropped by Trilobite, and Empress Shield, dropped by Immortus, both of which are encountered in the second chamber.

I am still missing the R20 weapon for Eizen but the other ones are:

Velvet: Dragon Slayer
Rokurou: Lunar Tempests
Laphicet: Lost Parlance (Golden Axer, third chamber)
Magilou: Doppelganger (Water Skunk, third chamber)
Eleanor: Gae Bolg (Kylvern, third chamber)

I must have gotten the ones for Velvet and Rokurou from chests and I'm probably still missing the according enemy entries so no idea which enemies those come from, sorry.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

The r20 weapons I believe and r20 armors, for the whole party.

Just the weapons? No accessories?

The R20 armors are Mumbane, dropped by Trilobite, and Empress Shield, dropped by Immortus, both of which are encountered in the second chamber.

I am still missing the R20 weapon for Eizen but the other ones are:

Velvet: Dragon Slayer
Rokurou: Lunar Tempests
Laphicet: Lost Parlance (Golden Axer, third chamber)
Magilou: Doppelganger (Water Skunk, third chamber)
Eleanor: Gae Bolg (Kylvern, third chamber)

I must have gotten the ones for Velvet and Rokurou from chests and I'm probably still missing the according enemy entries so no idea which enemies those come from, sorry.

The ingame encyclopedia doesnt really state what enemies drop does it?

[Broso]

Originally posted by ϟMangekyō Sharinganϟ:

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Just the weapons? No accessories?

The R20 armors are Mumbane, dropped by Trilobite, and Empress Shield, dropped by Immortus, both of which are encountered in the second chamber.

I am still missing the R20 weapon for Eizen but the other ones are:

Velvet: Dragon Slayer
Rokurou: Lunar Tempests
Laphicet: Lost Parlance (Golden Axer, third chamber)
Magilou: Doppelganger (Water Skunk, third chamber)
Eleanor: Gae Bolg (Kylvern, third chamber)

I must have gotten the ones for Velvet and Rokurou from chests and I'm probably still missing the according enemy entries so no idea which enemies those come from, sorry.

The ingame encyclopedia doesnt really state what enemies drop does it?

It does but only after you actually get the drop and only for the "rare" equipment variant. The "generic" ones (like quartz, amphibole, mythril etc.) are not shown. But I think that in general enemies will drop generic variants of the rare ones they can drop.

[shadowzero]

What about arena drops,you can a bunch of gear there or no high rarity drops?